More Troops to Afghan

[Darth Omar]

Really a shame we can't see TD's '03 posts about the Iraq War.

This isn't Iraq. We aren't invading Aghanistan. We aren't going to regime change there, or attempt to democratize it.

As pointed out previously, the only relevance Iraq has to this is we know the outcome if we leave prematurely.

 

[Phantasmal]

You could have asked the same thing about Iraq as little as four years ago. 'There's no reason to fear terrorism from Iraq'.

And we see how that turned out. I understand NATO's reluctance. I understand Trump's reluctance---it's not like he can't wait to do it.

Not discusssing Iraq with you, this is Afghanistan, we had discussed Iraq and we will never agree on it.

We tried to regime change in two nations at one time, it has caused us a tremendous debt, morally, financially and politically.

Our coalition no longer wants to help, why don't we just admit we can't change these countries on our own without bombing them out of existence, and move on. We screwed two countries up, we are sorry, we will send humanitarian aid.

If these areas are such terrorist hell holes, the people in the areas most affected need to take charge, we can lend support, but we don't and can't do this alone.

The funds we spend in both countries could be used at home for the veterans who fought these wars.

 

[Nomad]

4k not 400k
and your casualties numbers include Iraq..i count about 2400 total war death in afgh as of now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan
As of October 18th, 2016, there have been 2,386 U.S. military deaths in the War in Afghanistan. 1,834 of these deaths have been the result of hostile action. 20,049 American servicemembers have also been wounded in action during the war.

I was just quoting what you posted.

And I was only talking about the number of deaths in Iraq, not Afghanistan.

There were over 4,000 American deaths in Iraq.

 

[dukkha]

I was just quoting what you posted.

And I was only talking about the number of deaths in Iraq, not Afghanistan.

There were over 4,000 American deaths in Iraq.

ok

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Not discusssing Iraq with you, this is Afghanistan, we had discussed Iraq and we will never agree on it.

We tried to regime change in two nations at one time, it has caused us a tremendous debt, morally, financially and politically.

Our coalition no longer wants to help, why don't we just admit we can't change these countries on our own without bombing them out of existence, and move on. We screwed two countries up, we are sorry, we will send humanitarian aid.

If these areas are such terrorist hell holes, the people in the areas most affected need to take charge, we can lend support, but we don't and can't do this alone.

The funds we spend in both countries could be used at home for the veterans who fought these wars.

I take it you believe Iraq and Afghanistan were better under Saddam and the Taliban?

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I take it you believe Iraq and Afghanistan were better under Saddam and the Taliban?

Lazy point, and another false question.

I take you think getting rid of Saddam was worth the massive loss of life & trillions of dollars spent?

 

[dukkha]

NATO never left Afghanistan - the mission changed to more of support and the name changed in Jan 2015


http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_8189.htm
From August 2003 to December 2014, NATO led the UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which conducted security operations and helped build up the Afghan security forces.

ISAF is NATO’s longest and most challenging mission to date: at its height, the force was more than 130,000 strong with troops from 51 NATO and partner nations.

The transition to Afghan lead for security started in 2011 and was completed in December 2014, when the ISAF operation ended and the Afghans assumed full responsibility for security.

In January 2015, NATO launched a new non-combat Resolute Support Mission (RSM) to train, advise and assist Afghan security forces and institutions.

In May 2016, NATO foreign ministers agreed that RSM’s presence will be sustained beyond 2016 – a final decision in that regard was taken by Allied leaders at the NATO Summit in Warsaw in July.

Within and alongside RSM, NATO and Afghanistan will enhance their Enduring Partnership of political dialogue and practical cooperation. Following the end of RSM, NATO is expected to maintain a civilian-led presence in Afghanistan to continue to help Afghan security institutions to become self-sufficient.

NATO and its partners are already committed to providing financial support to sustain the Afghan forces until the end of 2017 and are currently working to ensure support until the end of 2020.

Practical cooperation in areas of mutual interest and political consultations are being strengthened through an enhanced partnership between NATO and Afghanistan, building on the Declaration on an Enduring Partnership signed at the 2010 NATO Summit in Lisbon.

NATO’s Senior Civilian Representative represents the political leadership of the Alliance in Kabul, liaising with the government, civil society, representatives of the international community and neighbouring countries

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Why does anyone trust what Trump said yesterday?

When has he been credible?

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Lazy point, and another false question.

I take you think getting rid of Saddam was worth the massive loss of life & trillions of dollars spent?

You're a broken record with the whole "lazy point and false question" thing. Nothing lazy or false about it, in fact it is so true and real you had to ask me the reverse question. You have zero self awareness.

I think the execution in Iraq was completely wrong. Bush et al, completely underestimated the Iraqis and canning their military, way beyond stupid. He created the insurgency, IMO.

Do you wish Saddam was still in power or the Taliban?

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

Why does anyone trust what Trump said yesterday?

When has he been credible?

Irony alert!

 

[domer76]

This isn't Iraq. We aren't invading Aghanistan. We aren't going to regime change there, or attempt to democratize it.

As pointed out previously, the only relevance Iraq has to this is we know the outcome if we leave prematurely.

The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

 

[domer76]

I take it you believe Iraq and Afghanistan were better under Saddam and the Taliban?

WE were better with Iraq under Saddam.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

You're a broken record with the whole "lazy point and false question" thing. Nothing lazy or false about it, in fact it is so true and real you had to ask me the reverse question. You have zero self awareness.

I think the execution in Iraq was completely wrong. Bush et al, completely underestimated the Iraqis and canning their military, way beyond stupid. He created the insurgency, IMO.

Do you wish Saddam was still in power or the Taliban?

I asked it to illustrate the point, you hopeless partisan hack.

Iraq was wrong, period. The left knew it in 2003, and we were 100% right. I'm sick of hearing justifications for that war. People died & suffered needlessly.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

WE were better with Iraq under Saddam.

How so?

You obviously don't care about Iraqis.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

Indeed it is.

No way to spin that, either.

 

[Cancel 2018.2]

I asked it to illustrate the point, you hopeless partisan hack.

Iraq was wrong, period. The left knew it in 2003, and we were 100% right. I'm sick of hearing justifications for that war. People died & suffered needlessly.

I didn't justify the war you lying sack. And you're lying that the left knew it was wrong.

You're are the most dishonest poster, next to Evince, on this board.

 

[dukkha]

Why does anyone trust what Trump said yesterday?

When has he been credible?

what's to "trust/distrust?"
He laid out mission conditions without a timeline with strategic plans to get the regional players to buy in,
or quit sabotaging

We've threatened Paki before and not done anything to stop providing safe haven /disruption ;
if anything Trump is much more likely to follow thru

 

[Darth Omar]

The endpoint for withdrawal from Afghanistan is a military capable of defending the country and a stable, corruption free government. You can twist it anyway you want, but for us to complete that, it's called nation building.

Our own government isn't corruption free, so you throw that standard out.

We don't care about that anyway. All we need is for the Afghans to be *reasonably* able to secure their country. We don't care if they practice Leninist communism. We aren't there to build bridges or help with infrastructure.

Because we aren't there to nation build.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

I didn't justify the war you lying sack. And you're lying that the left knew it was wrong.

You're are the most dishonest poster, next to Evince, on this board.

Oh, please. The bolded is hilarious. The left crowded the streets - when it looked like the war was "won" (after Saddam's statue fell), the left was on the "wrong side of history." We were traitors, and terrorist sympathizers. Talk radio ridiculed the mass demonstrations.

Now that everyone knows it was a mistake, there isn't enough credit to go around. "The left were a part of it, too!" Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, et al. are corporatist Dems. They are not the "left."

The left was right about the war. Deal w/ it.

 

[domer76]

How so?

You obviously don't care about Iraqis.

I care more about Americans, you fucking moron.

Several thousand more alive to be fathers and mothers and sons and daughters and siblings to their families. Multiple tens of thousands, or more, not blinded, without limbs or possessing severe mental health problems.

Idiot.