Why not just let it fail?

Jarod said:
Rump is so inept he can't Shepherd an Obamacare repeal with the Republican Congress. The man is pitiful.
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Disagree. The repub congress is who's pitiful in this case.
Common sense already tells me repubs aren't going to come up with anything better because the only thing better is Moosecare ( free market single payer) and dims and repubs are too unimaginative to come up with something like that.
So if they aren't going to come up with anything better and they don't like ACA, the best they can do is nothing. Either it fails on it's own or it works. So what? Move on.
The best they can do for the country is at least try and fix it. And a good place to start is by requiring ins. companies to provide coverage across state lines, maybe a minimum number of states to begin with and gradually requiring them to provide in all states eventually.
Once again, both sides too damn stupid to even come up with that.
 
aloysious said:
Disagree. The repub congress is who's pitiful in this case.
Common sense already tells me repubs aren't going to come up with anything better because the only thing better is Moosecare ( free market single payer) and dims and repubs are too unimaginative to come up with something like that.
So if they aren't going to come up with anything better and they don't like ACA, the best they can do is nothing. Either it fails on it's own or it works. So what? Move on.
The best they can do for the country is at least try and fix it. And a good place to start is by requiring ins. companies to provide coverage across state lines, maybe a minimum number of states to begin with and gradually requiring them to provide in all states eventually.
Once again, both sides too damn stupid to even come up with that.
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Then why did Rump push so hard for Trumpcare?
 
aloysious said:
A good place to start is by requiring ins. companies to provide coverage across state lines, maybe a minimum number of states to begin with and gradually requiring them to provide in all states eventually.
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Isn't that what President Trump proposed?
 
LuvTrump said:
According to....?
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You think this is "working"?


A list of all failed co-ops and their cost to taxpayers compiled by the House Energy and Commerce Committee is found below:

CoOportunity Health - Iowa and Nebraska
Cost: $145,312,100
Louisiana Health Cooperative, Inc.
Cost: $65,790,660
Nevada Health Cooperative
Cost: $65,925,396
Health Republic Insurance of New York
Cost: $265,133,000
Kentucky Health Care Cooperative - Kentucky and West Virginia
Cost: $146,494,772
Community Health Alliance Mutual Insurance Company - Tennessee
Cost: $73,306,700
Colorado HealthOp
Cost: $72,335,129
Health Republic Insurance of Oregon
Cost: $60,648,505
Consumers' Choice Health Insurance Company - South Carolina
Cost: $87,578,208
Arches Mutual Insurance Company – Utah
Cost: $89,650,303
Meritus Health Partners – Arizona
Cost: $93,313,233
Consumers Mutual Insurance – Michigan
Cost: $71,534,300
InHealth Mutual – Ohio
Cost: $129,225,604
HealthyCT – Connecticut
Cost: $127,980,768
Oregon Health’s CO-OP – Oregon
Cost: $56,656,900
Land of Lincoln Health – Illinois
Cost: $160,154,812
Health Republic Insurance of New Jersey
Cost: $109,074,550


TOTAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS: $1,820,114,940



https://www.atr.org/new-jersey-obamacare-co-op-becomes-17th-collapse-1
 
the most lulzy part of this is hospitals have increased their profits by something like 25% under obamacare and IIRC insurance companies are showing record profits too.

Just like Dodd-frank we know who the real beneficiaries are.
 
Jarod said:
The National Review is fake news and filled with lies, come up with a different source and we can discuss it.
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Prove that these statements are lies, and we can discuss it right now.


As of now, over 1,200 counties will have only one insurance provider available on the individual market next year, and 35,000 individuals will live in counties with no options available at all. These numbers are expected to increase as insurers finalize their 2018 plans.

Liberals often accuse the GOP of intentional sabotage, but premiums were increasing and insurers were fleeing long before the GOP victories of last November.

Republican messaging to date has focused only on the collapsing marketplace; it must also emphasize that Democrats have done nothing to improve Obamacare.

The reform conversation has been framed as a decision to cut coverage and reduce benefits, but what most on the left leave out is that the biggest driver of reduced insurance coverage is cost.

A report issued by the Department of Health and Human Services showed that premiums have increased 105 percent since the implementation of the ACA.

Average monthly premiums in the 39 states using HealthCare.gov (the federal health-insurance exchange) increased from $232 in 2013 to $476 in 2017.

In 24 of those states, premiums have doubled since the implementation of the ACA.

Another report, released by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), showed that 2 million people have dropped individual-market insurance coverage since January. Of those people, 46 percent cited lack of affordability as their reason for canceling their plans.



http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448897/obamacare-failure-gop-must-fix
 
tsuke said:
the most lulzy part of this is hospitals have increased their profits by something like 25% under obamacare and IIRC insurance companies are showing record profits too.

Just like Dodd-frank we know who the real beneficiaries are.
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Because more people have insurance, thus more people paying their hospital bill, thus medical care inflation rate dropping.


Are you saying its a bad thing for Hospitals to be profitable?
 
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