Sessions big-gov't views on marijuana

Thing1 said:
He is such an idiot when it comes to pot. It is pretty dismaying that someone so clueless can be calling policy when it comes to this issue.

His views are basically '50's era, "Reefer Madness" paranoia. He makes claims such as marijuana leading to opioid addiction and being only "slightly less awful" than heroin that actually fly in the face of scientific evidence. Opioid addiction has gone down in states where medical marijuana is legal. And this is not surprising - if pot is prescribed for pain, it obviously gives patients and doctors an alternative to much more addicting and dangerous painkillers.

Now, he wants the ability to enforce federal laws on pot, and basically ignore states rights. It really makes me sick to think about. How can small-gov't, states rights conservatives support this?
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Yes on the face of it that does sound pretty narrow minded.
 
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And, I've said from the beginning, Sessions is horrible. He is an ignorant tool. Why Trump picked him is beyond me.

In fact, Trump is opposed to federal spending to crack down on medical marijuana.

http://www.businessinsider.com/medical-marijuana-trump-administration-2017-first-statement-2017-5

And during his campaign:

When Donald Trump was running for president, he had three things to say about marijuana policy: He was “in favor of medical marijuana 100 percent,” he was skeptical of legalizing it more broadly, and marijuana policy should basically be left to the states.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/27/...-in-the-campaign-leave-pot-to-the-states.html

Sessions should be fired, ASAP
 
Thing1 said:
Man o' straw.

How can you say "I truly hope you can find comfort as I believe it is a crime that people are allowed to live in pain due to a lack of understanding of physiology and science", and then not be ticked about what Sessions is doing?

His entire POV on pot is not based on any understanding of the science whatsoever. As with everything, your responses are determined by what you think Joe Lefty will support or oppose.
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It's more complicated than you realize lol.

I don't know that there's a 'safe way' to administer opiates, apart from an OR setting by an anesthesiologist---you won't remember the high. And even there it's usually a one time dose or several day doses for post-op pain management.

None of the principals involved in the debate want anyone to die or to live in chronic pain.

But it's a fact: long term use of opiates carries a very high risk of addiction---whether it be for pain management or recreational use.

That said, pot isn't addictive. It's probably habit forming in some instances but it's absolutely a different issue than dilaudid or OxyContin. In fact, there's a running joke that 'no one is allergic to dilaudid' lol. We get people all the time who claim to be allergic to Lortab because they want the opiate. They rarely admit to being allergic to opiates even when they are.

And these aren't strung out druggies [though some will end up that way] but normal people who now have an addiction problem to go along with their chronic pain.

There isn't an easy answer for opiates. But I disagree with Sessions at least as far as medical pot goes. I think it's stupid they don't legalize it for prescription use.

There's no good reason not to.
 
Yaya said:
While Alice is an imbecile, one must admit your views on abortion and gay marriage are not pro states rights. Correct?
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Gay marriage I see as states rights, and always have. I don't believe SCOTUS should be ruling on it, or that we should be amending the Constitution on it. Even if I did see it as a national issue, the comparison is faulty, because the idea of "harm" is pretty flimsy w/ the case of gay marriage. Sessions' actions will actually harm people.

Abortion I do see as the law of the land. That said, if a state like Kentucky had a POPULAR vote on a referendum restricting abortion rights, I don't think you'd see me on here making a big to-do about it. There have been states that have put in abortion restrictions, and I'd be surprised if you could find anything but a stray comment from me on it. I want women to have access to abortion, but one or a few states restricting it doesn't make things impossible - just harder.

Sessions marijuana views bother me because his statements about the drug aren't supported by any science whatsoever. You can make an abortion comparison there, but my views on that topic don't fly in the face of science. I have never argued that life doesn't begin at conception; my arguments have always been about weighing in considerations like sentience & viability, and considering the competing rights of both the fetus & the mother.

And man, do I hate writing that. I can see this thread now being pro choice vs. pro life and going 100 pages.
 
Thing1 said:
Your blind devotion to Trump and his minions is noted.
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I believe in following the law which as you have stated Sessions is doing

I don't believe in arbitrarily ignoring laws like Obama did

It isn't like Sessions is trying to enforce laws that don't exist.

Sessions is charged with upholding the law of the land. That even includes laws I oppose.

You are conveniently ignoring that fact. What I think about legalizing marijuana is separate and apart from this.
 
Darth Omar said:
It's more complicated than you realize lol.

I don't know that there's a 'safe way' to administer opiates, apart from an OR setting by an anesthesiologist---you won't remember the high. And even there it's usually a one time dose or several day doses for post-op pain management.

None of the principals involved in the debate want anyone to die or to live in chronic pain.

But it's a fact: long term use of opiates carries a very high risk of addiction---whether it be for pain management or recreational use.

That said, pot isn't addictive. It's probably habit forming in some instances but it's absolutely a different issue than dilaudid or OxyContin. In fact, there's a running joke that 'no one is allergic to dilaudid' lol. We get people all the time who claim to be allergic to Lortab because they want the opiate. They rarely admit to being allergic to opiates even when they are.

And these aren't strung out druggies [though some will end up that way] but normal people who now have an addiction problem to go along with their chronic pain.

There isn't an easy answer for opiates. But I disagree with Sessions at least as far as medical pot goes. I think it's stupid they don't legalize it for prescription use.

There's no good reason not to.
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they do carry a high rate of addiction. Being a former addict i'm even more careful of how I use then most,
and it's always minimal doses over longer periods of time. s t r e t c h it out.
i overly control my usages so as not to become active drug seeking mindset.

I'd more then satisfied with codeine for minimal, but real pain relief.
The problem is the side effect makes me super-drowsy.
But it's better then nothing, and too many patients are told they get nothing
 
Darth Omar said:
It's more complicated than you realize lol.

I don't know that there's a 'safe way' to administer opiates, apart from an OR setting by an anesthesiologist---you won't remember the high. And even there it's usually a one time dose or several day doses for post-op pain management.

None of the principals involved in the debate want anyone to die or to live in chronic pain.

But it's a fact: long term use of opiates carries a very high risk of addiction---whether it be for pain management or recreational use.

That said, pot isn't addictive. It's probably habit forming in some instances but it's absolutely a different issue than dilaudid or OxyContin. In fact, there's a running joke that 'no one is allergic to dilaudid' lol. We get people all the time who claim to be allergic to Lortab because they want the opiate. They rarely admit to being allergic to opiates even when they are.

And these aren't strung out druggies [though some will end up that way] but normal people who now have an addiction problem to go along with their chronic pain.

There isn't an easy answer for opiates. But I disagree with Sessions at least as far as medical pot goes. I think it's stupid they don't legalize it for prescription use.

There's no good reason not to.
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I appreciate the thoughtful response, and agree w/ much of it. Opiates are a real conundrum. It's tempting to say that the addicts mess it up for those who need the pills for pain, but that really diminishes how serious addiction is. I know addicts, and it's really not something most can control at all.

But that really makes the case for medical pot stronger. It's just a no-brainer to me. I'd like to see it legalized beyond that, but to not allow medical is just inexplicable. The things that people turn to as an alternative are much worse, for their health and for society.
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
Unlike you I know the science of pain management.

Sessions is following the law. Period. Stop. Don't like it. Then change the law.

I don't agree with bureaucrats arbitrarily deciding what laws they want to enforce. Even if it is a law I disagree with.

You are too caught up in your desire to smoke dope that you miss my salient point.

What I think about the drug war is irrelevant.

The law is on Sessions side whether you like it or not.
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In rhis case the law is an ass
 
Alice in Liberaland said:
You really are a self righteous prick. We agree on many issues but you are one of those cockswallows who thinks someone has to think like you on everything.
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it is really that simple, because my beliefs are completely based upon the founders of this nation. what they agreed to is the only way for freedom and liberty. anyone else who thinks differently is trying to sell you in to slavery.

Alice in Liberaland said:
You really aren't much different than Deshtard. Being married to you and listening to your screeds, I can understand why your old lady would want to stay high.
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are you really wanting to fall in to the CFM category?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you seriously believe that the current crop of federal legislators are subject to the very same standards of care and federal regulations that we simple subjects are?????
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There is a larger principle here that apparently isn't getting across people's desire to get high. Trust me I have seen addicts in action I can understand how it clouds judgement.

I support upholding the law even if I don't agree with the law. There are mechanisms for removing laws we don't like. Use them

Having these kinds of precedents is how you end up with people who ignore our immigration laws and that to me is more important than your wish to get high.

I think your bong is safe from Sessions
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it is really that simple, because my beliefs are completely based upon the founders of this nation. what they agreed to is the only way for freedom and liberty. anyone else who thinks differently is trying to sell you in to slavery.



are you really wanting to fall in to the CFM category?
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Dude you are a three trick pony

Pot
Guns
Cops
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, I'm waiting for some 'words of iron' from Thing lol, to see if he advocates state rights on gay marriage.

Maybe he got busy or something.
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Supporting States rights doesn't mean having to support every state's right issues, like denying adults the right to marry the person(s) they want to marry.
 
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