NYT releases new evidence of Trump-Russia

You should look up "leading question", for you sure don't know what it means. Otherwise, you can play games with A Nutter, he might be more receptive.

I can see why you don't want to play lol.

Obama sanctioned Russia, a nuclear super power, over *alleged* Russian meddling in the election. He knew about the alleged meddling months prior, but after Hillary lost to Trump he decided, in January, it was time to get serious about it.

But Obama wasn't a serious leader. Serious leaders don't put sanctions on another country in order to support a political narrative and/or alleviate the massive butt-hurt of a fellow democrat.

There are legitimate reasons to sanction Russia, unproven allegations about Russian meddling, isn't one of them.
 
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Trump looked into lifting Russia sanctions days after taking office ...

2 Jun 2017 ... The Trump administration reportedly looked into lifting US sanctions on Russia just days after the president's inauguration, and one former ...

Former Diplomats: Trump Team Sought to Lift Sanctions on Russia ...

1 Jun 2017 ... The Trump administration was gearing up to lift sanctions on Russia when the president took office, but career diplomats ginned up pressure in ...

Yahoo: Trump team tried to drop Russia sanctions - CNN Video

2 Jun 2017 ... Yahoo News is reporting that a former state department official claims there was a secret effort by the incoming Trump administration to drop ...

How the Trump administration's secret efforts to ease Russia ...

1 Jun 2017 ... “Russia has done nothing to be rewarded with sanctions relief,” Graham ...

Donald Trump suggests he may drop Russia sanctions if Moscow 'is ...

14 Jan 2017 ... Donald Trump: 'If Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?' Photograph: ...

Trump Aides’ Idea: Help Russia, Ask for Nothing Back. - The Daily Beast

5 Jun 2017 ... The White House explored unilaterally easing sanctions on Russia's oil industry as ...

Donald Trump suggests sanctions against Russia may be dropped if ...

14 Jan 2017 ... Sanctions placed on Russia by Barack Obama could be lifted if the country works with the US on battling terrorists and other goals, Donald ...​


That was all over the news not that long ago, and it had further ramifications as the Senate moved, swiftly, and in the most admirably bipartisan fashion (98 - 2), to approve a sanctions bill (formerly just President Obama's EOs), pushing back against the Trumpy's efforts to scrap them. Again, you were out to lunch.


Senate passes Russia sanctions bill, pushing back against Trump

15 Jun 2017 ... The Senate was nearly unanimous on Thursday passing a bill that would slap Russia with new sanctions and give Congress the power to ...​
I have absolutely no confidence in "un-named sources " and "secret efforts" by "former diplomats" etc.

I did miss the one where Trump says lifting sanctions might be possible given further Russian cooperation..
But even there it sounds more exploratory then actual,and it's denied by the WH that they were ever unilateral
These are basically fake news reports - unconfirmend,and by anonymous sources,never to be seen again
once they were leaked
Just after Trump took office, it sounded like he was going to change all that. “They have sanctions on Russia—let’s see if we can make some good deals with Russia,” Trump said in January to the Times of London. “Russia’s hurting very badly right now because of sanctions, but I think something can happen that a lot of people are gonna benefit.”

True to his comments, NSC officials then working for Flynn considered how they might lift all sanctions on Russia almost immediately, one of the former officials said—a charge first reported by Yahoo News, but denied as false by a senior administration official speaking to The Daily Beast.

Mos stupid on this whole topic is the Senate FORCING sanctions,when they already haven't changed any Russian behavior.
Sanctions were always counter-productive.Germany tolerated the first round but does NOT want the Senate imposing new one's.
The Senate needed to stay out of it. John McCain got his warpig on
but that's all they accomplish -they again are actually counterproductive.

They didn't even change Russian support for the separatists in Donbass the first time

We SHOULD be looking to end them , in return for Russian troops out of Donbass now.

That would at least be a pay off, instead of this continued stupidity Obama imposed
and the Senate accelerates

Germany threatens retaliation if US pushes ahead with Russia sanctions it says could harm European economy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...retaliation-us-pushes-ahead-russia-sanctions/
A spokesman for Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, said she was concerned by the new sanctions. “It is, putting it mildly, a peculiar move by the US Senate,” he said.

Senators insist their bill – passed on Thursday by a margin of 98 to two – is designed to punish Moscow for interfering in last year’s presidential election and limit Mr Trump’s ability to lift sanctions.

It includes punitive measures for anyone helping Russia build energy export pipelines.

The bill must still be approved by the House of Representative and President Trump, but already Berlin fears it could bring fines against European companies involved in Nord Stream 2, a project to build a pipeline carrying Russian gas under the Baltic Sea.
 
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this could go in the fake news file right along with the "pink slime" slander conviction. the problem is that none of these msm bastards will suffer the hell of jail for their real crime against real people. there is no justice for the damned here and now. it comes after. the damned are blessed by gov.
 
I can see why you don't want to play lol.

Obama sanctioned Russia, a nuclear super power, over *alleged* Russian meddling in the election. He knew about the alleged meddling months prior, but after Hillary lost to Trump he decided, in January, it was time to get serious about it.

But Obama wasn't a serious leader. Serious leaders don't put sanctions on another country in order to support a political narrative and/or alleviate the massive butt-hurt of a fellow democrat.

There are legitimate reasons to sanction Russia, unproven allegations about Russian meddling, isn't one of them.

Ah, I see, you start out with a stupid inanity, reinforced by a drooling giggle.

Then you immediately start to bleat, again without even the most cursory research, which inevitably means you put a spotlight on you to highlight your ignorance. President Obama imposed the first sanctions on Russia in March 2014. Let's see whether you can figure out why that was.

Ah, yes, "serious leader". You aren't equipped to render that judgment. But A Nutter sure gave you a pat on the head. That has to count for something, eh?
 
Ah, I see, you start out with a stupid inanity, reinforced by a drooling giggle.

Then you immediately start to bleat, again without even the most cursory research, which inevitably means you put a spotlight on you to highlight your ignorance. President Obama imposed the first sanctions on Russia in March 2014. Let's see whether you can figure out why that was.

Ah, yes, "serious leader". You aren't equipped to render that judgment. But A Nutter sure gave you a pat on the head. That has to count for something, eh?

And you apparently aren't equipped to address my point since you skipped over it lol.

I said there are legitimate reasons to sanction Russia [like for Crimea] but scoring partisan points in support of a conspiracy theory, isn't one of them. In a sane world, sanctions are evidence-based. That's what I meant about Obama not being a serious leader. He put sanctions on Russia ONLY after Trump won the election and for spurious reasons.

You can either address the point or continue to posture to try and look good in front of your liberal buddies.
 
He [Obama] put sanctions on Russia ONLY after Trump won the election and for spurious reasons.

Yeah, information apparently doesn't penetrate. I informed you above President Obama put sanctions on Russia long before the Trumpy won.

And yes, the view of the NSA, CIA, DNI, and FBI that Russia meddled in U.S. elections is a "conspiracy theory".

As I said, you aren't equipped to render judgment on who is or isn't a serious leader, and you demonstrate it conclusively with every posting on the matter.

All that isn't even worth a shrug, and I fail to understand why you are doing that to you. But then, putting your ignorance in neon and reinforcing it with a drooling giggle is your prerogative. So, there you go...
 
Yeah, information apparently doesn't penetrate. I informed you above President Obama put sanctions on Russia long before the Trumpy won.

And yes, the view of the NSA, CIA, DNI, and FBI that Russia meddled in U.S. elections is a "conspiracy theory".

As I said, you aren't equipped to render judgment on who is or isn't a serious leader, and you demonstrate it conclusively with every posting on the matter.

All that isn't even worth a shrug, and I fail to understand why you are doing that to you. But then, putting your ignorance in neon and reinforcing it with a drooling giggle is your prerogative. So, there you go...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...sanctions-announced-by-white-house/index.html
 
2 sets of sanctions Darth.
The most significant were after the Crimea annexation ( link below) the link you provide are sanctions for Russian interference during the election imposed by Obama alone.
They are mostly pro forma and I think do not involve the EU, like the first set do.
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Consequences and assessment
Foreign-exchange reserves of the Central Bank of Russia. Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev has admitted the sanctions have hurt the Russian economy, leading to a loss of "tens of billions of dollars because of the sanctions."

The sanctions introduced both by and against Russia slowed down the trade between Russia and EU, causing damage to both Russian and European economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter...the_Ukrainian_crisis#Sanctions_against_Crimea

Forget the Owl
He wants to show how wonderful Obama was and how awful Trump is. Sanctions are bogus. They hurt everybody.
That's why Germany really doesn't want them to begin with, and definately does not want the one's imposed by th Senate.

The best idea Trump ever had in international relations is getting past this mindless driving Rusiaphobia.
De-fang Putin by acknowleging his security needs , and work together where possible to keep Russia
in the European sphere,and as far away from a Russian-Sino block.

and don't forget the US meddling in Ukraine's Euromaiden really started all this!
our U.S.A.I.D. money was used as a club to remove Yanukovych because he was looking to cement normal Ukraine/Russian trade ties at the expense of the EU.
 
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Vicky Nuland w/ her fucking cupcakes. Kyiv, ( Independence Square) Uk.

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Neo-con Lizard King John McCain Kyiv, ( Independence Square) Uk.

U.S. Senator John McCain met Ukrainian opposition leaders in Kiev on Saturday and voiced support for protesters camped out for weeks in the capital, a move sure to anger Moscow for what it sees as Western meddling in its backyard.

The street protests started after the November 21 decision by President Viktor Yanukovich - seeking the best possible deal for Ukraine to stave off bankruptcy - to walk away from a trade pact with Europe at the last minute and seek closer ties with its old Soviet master.

The movement has since grown in size and vehemence, bringing tens of thousands onto the streets in a series of rallies, becoming an all-out protest against the president and his cabinet.

McCain is the latest of a string of European and American dignitaries to tour the sprawling protest camp set up behind tall barricades - prompting Russia to accuse the West of excessive involvement.

Thousands of Yanukovich supporters staged a rival rally in Kiev on Saturday, many bused in from Donetsk and other cities in eastern Ukraine - the traditional stronghold of the president's Party of Regions.

We are here to support the president and stability,' 18-year-old Maria Nikolayeva said, holding the Party of Regions blue flag. 'Yanukovich is our best prospect at the moment ... I don't see any alternative.'

In an attempt to defuse weeks of unrest, Yanukovich on Saturday dismissed the head of Kiev's state administration and a national security aide over the violence on November 30. Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka said two more police officials involved that night were under investigation.

The proximity of rival demonstrations in Kiev - separated only by a line of riot police - raised fears of fresh violence.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Ukraine-protesters-We-support-just-cause.html
 
2 sets of sanctions Darth.
The most significant were after the Crimea annexation ( link below) the link you provide are sanctions for Russian interference during the election imposed by Obama alone.
They are mostly pro forma and I think do not involve the EU, like the first set do.
++

Consequences and assessment
Foreign-exchange reserves of the Central Bank of Russia. Prime minister Dmitry Medvedev has admitted the sanctions have hurt the Russian economy, leading to a loss of "tens of billions of dollars because of the sanctions."

The sanctions introduced both by and against Russia slowed down the trade between Russia and EU, causing damage to both Russian and European economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter...the_Ukrainian_crisis#Sanctions_against_Crimea

Forget the Owl
He wants to show how wonderful Obama was and how awful Trump is. Sanctions are bogus. They hurt everybody.
That's why Germany really doesn't want them to begin with, and definately does not want the one's imposed by th Senate.

The best idea Trump ever had in international relations is getting past this mindless driving Rusiaphobia.
De-fang Putin by acknowleging his security needs , and work together where possible to keep Russia
in the European sphere,and as far away from a Russian-Sino block.

and don't forget the US meddling in Ukraine's Euromaiden really started all this!
our U.S.A.I.D. money was used as a club to remove Yanukovych because he was looking to cement normal Ukraine/Russian trade ties at the expense of the EU.

Yeah, I get there are two different sets of sanctions anatta, but my point to Owl was there are legitimate reasons to sanction Russia [whether the Crimea set were prudent, can be argued back and forth] but Obama's 11th hour sanctions were partisan nonsense.

They were worse, actually. Obama did that to lend credence to the collision theory and to jeopardize Trump's relationship with Russia.

It's crap.
 
Yeah, I get there are two different sets of sanctions anatta, but my point to Owl was there are legitimate reasons to sanction Russia [whether the Crimea set were prudent, can be argued back and forth] but Obama's 11th hour sanctions were partisan nonsense.

They were worse, actually. Obama did that to lend credence to the collision theory and to jeopardize Trump's relationship with Russia.

It's crap.
legitimate perhaps. most definitely really unwanted by the EU.
Obama had a hard time getting Merkel to go along with that first one.

This new Senate round though -Germany is really objecting.
Obama's 2nd round was pretty much a show horse -yes.

It's just more Russiaphobia in place of a Russian relationship--see my sig
 
Yep, a sitting President talking about good policy - to be openly enacted later, at a politically more opportune time.

As opposed to bad policy, which they tried to coordinate through secret channels behind the backs of a sitting President and the nation's intelligence community, quite plausibly with the sole aim of enriching a then-incoming President.

To steal a word: No difference, huh?

Funny how the times are changing, though: Back then when the open mike incident happened, the marching orders were for all to hyperventilate about President Obama selling out the nation to the evil Russians. They also completely forgot that those missile defenses were supposedly meant to protect Europe against Iran's non-existent ICBMs. The fine rightards eagerly complied. Now that the Trumpy has found that Russia is just America's grossly misunderstood buddy in the fight against evil in this world, sanctions should be dropped and spying compounds be given back, Rightardia is all aflutter.

Moronic screed; twit.

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Seriously,

Are you people complete morons?

The Fuliginite in that video is THE DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT........he is actually fully authorized to speak that way.....

Dear moron; the duly elected incoming President and transition team can also speak with foreign nations.

Brain dead clueless fools on the left like you stupidly think it is wrong.

Obama's hot mic comments were offensive in that he was snuggling up to the Russian playing political gamesmanship lying to the American sheeple.

You lack the intelligence and common sense to comprehend the OBVIOUS. Dunce.
 
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Why don't you at least do some rudimentary research before you bleat, Nutter? Wouldn't that spare you the humiliation of being an ignoramus? ... Yet another disappointment, Omar. Pick yourself up, would you?

Trump looked into lifting Russia sanctions days after taking office ...

2 Jun 2017 ... The Trump administration reportedly looked into lifting US sanctions on Russia just days after the president's inauguration, and one former ...

Former Diplomats: Trump Team Sought to Lift Sanctions on Russia ...

1 Jun 2017 ... The Trump administration was gearing up to lift sanctions on Russia when the president took office, but career diplomats ginned up pressure in ...

Yahoo: Trump team tried to drop Russia sanctions - CNN Video

2 Jun 2017 ... Yahoo News is reporting that a former state department official claims there was a secret effort by the incoming Trump administration to drop ...

How the Trump administration's secret efforts to ease Russia ...

1 Jun 2017 ... “Russia has done nothing to be rewarded with sanctions relief,” Graham ...

Donald Trump suggests he may drop Russia sanctions if Moscow 'is ...

14 Jan 2017 ... Donald Trump: 'If Russia is really helping us, why would anybody have sanctions if somebody's doing some really great things?' Photograph: ...

Trump Aides’ Idea: Help Russia, Ask for Nothing Back. - The Daily Beast

5 Jun 2017 ... The White House explored unilaterally easing sanctions on Russia's oil industry as ...

Donald Trump suggests sanctions against Russia may be dropped if ...

14 Jan 2017 ... Sanctions placed on Russia by Barack Obama could be lifted if the country works with the US on battling terrorists and other goals, Donald ...​

That was all over the news not that long ago, and it had further ramifications as the Senate moved, swiftly, and in the most admirably bipartisan fashion (98 - 2), to approve a sanctions bill (formerly just President Obama's EOs), pushing back against the Trumpy's efforts to scrap them. Again, you were out to lunch.


Senate passes Russia sanctions bill, pushing back against Trump

15 Jun 2017 ... The Senate was nearly unanimous on Thursday passing a bill that would slap Russia with new sanctions and give Congress the power to ...​

So what do you think this all means brain dead wonder dunce? And yet, when Obama snuggles up to the Russian President, you whiny twits defend it. Moron.
 
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