Can Trump And Putin Destroy The Deep State?

anatta said:
Deep State is the un-elected bureaucrats who run the IC (leadership) for their own agenda whether it dovetails
with an elected POTUS's or not.
Further it's dominated by Russiaphobes, being as that's the nature of it's existence
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Will you be naming any, anytime soon??
 
Bill said:
So if we don't want that, we must get rid of the deep state, perhaps Goldstein & the boggyman to & then everyone will live happily ever after..............
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can't get rid of the Deep State.. Do you remember J Edgar Hoover? Nobody could get rid of him because he had dirt on everybody. ( being head of the FBI - part of the IC leadership- makes him DeepState)

All you can do is go along with the IC, or hopefully elected officials do not bow down to them like they did J Edgar
or Clapper/Brennan whom are clearly politicized
..*who is Goldstein?*
 
Bill said:
Says the guy w/ henery killinger in his sig???

Having some ligit complaints hardly equates to what has been going on............ Russia was the foe, now they are the good guy & imaginary gubment workers are the bad guys, the press, anyone that opposes trump & now putins will............. wtf
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Russia is always the foe. The problem is the Russiaphobes prefer to demonize then come up with a policy to manage Putin ( as Kissinger says)
 
Bill said:
Hhhhmmm, I guess there must be some proof of this?? WHo, or whatever they are we must do away w/ them for their persecution of pO' putin?? Who is a victim here just like trump...??
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where do you think the unmasking comes from- then followed by day to day leaks?
 
anatta said:
Russia is always the foe. The problem is the Russiaphobes prefer to demonize then come up with a policy to manage Putin ( as Kissinger says)
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I am not interested in what he has to say, unless it's on a witness stand @ the Hague..

I think most of us know there are problems, some of our own creation w/ the Russians, the opposite is true as well.. As I have been saying, that does not mean we must demonize gubment workers, the media, Americans that oppose trump etc.....

Because we fucked up a few times does not mean we are now buddies, not sure why you don't get that??

We work, trade etc w/ China~they are still our foe......... See how that can works??

We can also have better relations one day but not when they are interfering in our elections & have had questionable relationships w/ & contacts w/ the admin, his campaign etc...

THAT MAKES IT MUCH, MUCH HARDER-not easier.......
 
Bill said:
I am not interested in what he has to say, unless it's on a witness stand @ the Hague..

I think most of us know there are problems, some of our own creation w/ the Russians, the opposite is true as well.. As I have been saying, that does not mean we must demonize gubment workers, the media, Americans that oppose trump etc.....

Because we fucked up a few times does not mean we are now buddies, not sure why you don't get that??

We work, trade etc w/ China~they are still our foe......... See how that can works??

We can also have better relations one day but not when they are interfering in our elections & have had questionable relationships w/ & contacts w/ the admin, his campaign etc...

THAT MAKES IT MUCH, MUCH HARDER-not easier.......
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what's new with Russian collusion other then what we knew back in October?
still no evidence of collusion -BUT we have seen leaks on a daily basis.

What crime has been committed so far? Probably disclosures by Flynn and Manafort.
AND IC leaking which is a crime.

So IC leaking to de-rail a POTUS is criminal behavior..do you have any problems with this? I do.
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we are not in a Cold War w/China. we do not have permanent deployments and treaty obligations;
nor do we spend hundreds of billions of $ in Defense on China like we do Russia.

Russians have been meddling in our elections for decades, we do the same in he Ukraine etc.
why is it all of a sudden the subject of like 5 investigations? Because the hysterics are calling the shots
 
anatta said:
who's "sympathizing" you moron?
do you enjoy ratcheting up Russian/west tensions and expanding NATO into permanent deployments into eastern Europe and places like Finland?

Just how many tank battallions do we need in Poland? the numbers are never enough -we constantly expand.

Then we bitch t Russia for deploying so called "battlefield nukes" (nuke tipped land based cruise missiles)
to overcome our numerical advantage.

etc.etc..whom do you think pays for all of this? Why is increasing tensions a good idea?
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Seems to me like the guy who started this thread is not only sympathizing with Putin, he's got him lip locked in a French kiss.
 
anatta said:
what's new with Russian collusion other then what we knew back in October?
still no evidence of collusion -BUT we have seen leaks on a daily basis.

What crime has been committed so far? Probably disclosures by Flynn and Manafort.
AND IC leaking which is a crime.

So IC leaking to de-rail a POTUS is criminal behavior..do you have any problems with this? I do.
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we are not in a Cold War w/China. we do not have permanent deployments and treaty obligations;
nor do we spend hundreds of billions of $ in Defense on China like we do Russia.

Russians have been meddling in our elections for decades, we do the same in he Ukraine etc.
why is it all of a sudden the subject of like 5 investigations? Because the hysterics are calling the shots
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Was Jimmy Carter elected w/ the possible help of Russia?? Reagan?? Nixon? Bush one or two?? bill clinton? Obama?? Just to name a few...........


It is unpresidentED that a foreign power, a foe, may have interfered in our elections on behalf of one candidate......(whom he & you now seek special accommodations for).

One that just so happen to have some dealing there, whose campaign & admin just so happen to have contacts w/ during the campaign..........

Contact w/ the very country that interfered, the very one he suggested hack hillary & find her emails-the press didn't make that shit up & other stuff-IT HAPPENED-no deep state needed.........
 
Cadillac Man said:
Seems to me like the guy who started this thread is not only sympathizing with Putin, he's got him lip locked in a French kiss.
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Which I find shocking............ Never thought I would read Philly pulling for a KGB commie that hacked/interfered in this counties elections......... Sad what trump is doing to our country...
 
anatta said:
what's new with Russian collusion other then what we knew back in October?
still no evidence of collusion -BUT we have seen leaks on a daily basis.

What crime has been committed so far? Probably disclosures by Flynn and Manafort.
AND IC leaking which is a crime.

So IC leaking to de-rail a POTUS is criminal behavior..do you have any problems with this? I do.
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we are not in a Cold War w/China. we do not have permanent deployments and treaty obligations;
nor do we spend hundreds of billions of $ in Defense on China like we do Russia.

Russians have been meddling in our elections for decades, we do the same in he Ukraine etc.
why is it all of a sudden the subject of like 5 investigations? Because the hysterics are calling the shots
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Leaks are not the problem, trump is... Leaks are not a problem for me, the AMerican ppl, leaks are a problem for trump & his dirty dealings............ That is how it is running something you don't actually control, can't bully & fire @ will........ He should have read the job description a lil closer perhaps??
 
anatta said:
you have to ask "why" Putin does what he does..he's not a crazy hegemonist -he's a rational actor.

allthis started with NATO expansion under Bill Clinton,and had gotten to now where Putin doesn't have any buffer state .

Then what do we do under Obama? chase out a Uk president who wanted to expand commercial ties w/Putin
( a natural trading partner) under the guise of"human rights"

why are we meddling in Ukrainian affairs?
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If you remember when Germany united, NATO was supposed to shrink as part of the deal. The U.S. went back on the deal and EXPANDED NATO and it's been expanding it ever since.
 
Bill said:
Was Jimmy Carter elected w/ the possible help of Russia?? Reagan?? Nixon? Bush one or two?? bill clinton? Obama?? Just to name a few...........


It is unpresidentED that a foreign power, a foe, may have interfered in our elections on behalf of one candidate......(whom he & you now seek special accommodations for).

One that just so happen to have some dealing there, whose campaign & admin just so happen to have contacts w/ during the campaign..........

Contact w/ the very country that interfered, the very one he suggested hack hillary & find her emails-the press didn't make that shit up & other stuff-IT HAPPENED-no deep state needed.........
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you are conflating separate issues.
1. The Russian hacking was no more then the Podesta Emails/DNC server -supposedly released to Wiki by a Russian cutout.
In no way did this swing the election.
Even the Clapper Assessment (jan) does not claim the Russian hacking changed the outcome of the elections

So yes there was "Russian interference" but not changing the election results,and there has always been Russian interference ,but because there was no internet, there was no previous hacking.
Prior interference ( Carter, Nixon etc.)was planting fake news articles etc.

2. Contact is not collusion.
It's clear Trump was referring to the Emails that Clinton destroyed on her hard drive,
the ones that were supposedly "yoga and wedding stuff" even though we have no idea if she limited those Email destruction to "non-work elated" Email as she claims

The truth of all this is that Hillary and the Dems blame about 40 different reasons why she lost
(not making this up) -
never accepting the fact her own Emails released by the State Dept ( not the Russians or wiki)
are what damaged her because she could never get past that, as she lied as necessary to get past a news cycle
only to have a next news cycle impeach her previous explanations
 
blackascoal said:
Nothing short of mindboggling.

You sir are no Vietnam hero, most certainly not a patriot.

Your weak ass mind has been compromised by America's biggest adversary.
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If you want to look at real heroes, look at the names on that wall in DC. They were my brothers.

I never claimed to be a hero.
 
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