California and Universal Heath Care

[Truth Detector]

Why was that never a concern when the issue of Chinese labor came up? And if you're worried about MIC jobs, simply stop privatizing the military. Problem solved.

How so?

http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison

Do tell. And don't try and sell us the 2% profit margin crap.

 

[Truth Detector]

End the needless social welfare programs. $22 trillion wasted with zero improvement.

Well over 50% of the budget is S.S., Medicare and the military. If one truly cares about spending those are the issues that need to be addressed.

Not a good comparison wacko; defense is a mere 21% of the budget while mandatory spending takes up $2.4 trillion. Healthcare programs equal $1.16 trillion, SS another $910 billion, Income security programs (WTF) $304 billion and pensions represent the biggest proportion of Federal spending.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52409

 

[cawacko]

Difference between those and social welfare is the military spending is a delegated power in the Constitution and those using SS/Medicare contributed to the pot when working. With social welfare, those getting don't fund the pot from which they draw while those funding the pot don't get a damn thing but more chances to support leeches and freeloaders.

When it comes to SS, I'm all for letting people use that percentage taken from their checks to invest privately as they see fit. The argument that many wouldn't do that and have nothing later in life is worthless. To require those of us that would invest it privately to be part of such a system because many wouldn't is nothing more than typical socialist bullshit.

S.S. and Medicare are unsustainable programs though. We may be forced to pay in but it's not their in our name.

Yes, I understand certain social programs have 100% marginal tax rates and completely distorts incentives for them. That needs to be changed. On the whole that's not where the most money is spent

 

[Truth Detector]

S.S. and Medicare are unsustainable programs though. We may be forced to pay in but it's not their there in our name.

SS is a clever Ponzi scheme designed to fuel Federal deficits giving the payers an IOU and then forcing them to also pay the interest on the debt accumulated as a result.

Medicare is a clever welfare scheme intended to force our citizens to be dependent wards of the great state. It is sustained by a liberal educational establishment devoted to graduating non-thinking idiots in lieu of real education.

 

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Commiefornia just needs to tax the rich more. I think a 50% tax on gross receipts of all Hollywood pictures would be a good start. We know how Hollywood types love to pay their fair share

 

[CFM]

S.S. and Medicare are unsustainable programs though. We may be forced to pay in but it's not their in our name.

Yes, I understand certain social programs have 100% marginal tax rates and completely distorts incentives for them. That needs to be changed. On the whole that's not where the most money is spent

I understand how it works with SS. If you took my statement that I meant there was an account with my name on it, you're an idiot. I'd rather have the money I was required to pay and invest it myself. A much greater return than a socialist system. However, Inwill take it when it comes despite not needing it for one reason only and will do so even if someone needs it more. I was required to put in.

The problem with what you say about changing social programs is nothing but talk. I've suggested how the SS problem can be fixed. All you've said is the Liberal talking points about stopping abuse in social welfare. I have suggestions for it, too. They are harsh but would work.

 

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I understand how it works with SS. If you took my statement that I meant there was an account with my name on it, you're an idiot. I'd rather have the money I was required to pay and invest it myself. A much greater return than a socialist system. However, Inwill take it when it comes despite not needing it for one reason only and will do so even if someone needs it more. I was required to put in.

The problem with what you say about changing social programs is nothing but talk. I've suggested how the SS problem can be fixed. All you've said is the Liberal talking points about stopping abuse in social welfare. I have suggestions for it, too. They are harsh but would work.

You will take it because you are poor white trash and you need it to survive.
You don't fool anyone, racist.

 

[CFM]

You will take it because you are poor white trash and you need it to survive.
You don't fool anyone, racist.

I'll take it even if it means you starving.

 

[Buckly J. Ewer]

I'll take it even if it means you starving.

You will if you don't, racist.

 

[CFM]

You will if you don't, racist.

The thing is, BOY, I don't need it. For you, it's all you have.

 

[cawacko]

I understand how it works with SS. If you took my statement that I meant there was an account with my name on it, you're an idiot. I'd rather have the money I was required to pay and invest it myself. A much greater return than a socialist system. However, Inwill take it when it comes despite not needing it for one reason only and will do so even if someone needs it more. I was required to put in.

The problem with what you say about changing social programs is nothing but talk. I've suggested how the SS problem can be fixed. All you've said is the Liberal talking points about stopping abuse in social welfare. I have suggestions for it, too. They are harsh but would work.

I'm not sure what I've said here that can construed as liberal. Medicare, S.S. and the military are our largest expenses. To reduce spending those have to be addressed. That's not liberal that's just fact

 

[Sailor]

I'm not sure what I've said here that can construed as liberal. Medicare, S.S. and the military are our largest expenses. To reduce spending those have to be addressed. That's not liberal that's just fact

And fact made quite clearly.

 

[CFM]

I'm not sure what I've said here that can construed as liberal. Medicare, S.S. and the military are our largest expenses. To reduce spending those have to be addressed. That's not liberal that's just fact

SAYING something needs to be done about the abuse in social welfare programs yet saying nothing about how. Liberals are good at saying we should stop the abuse but keep such programs for those that truly need it. The problem is they, like you, say nothing about how to stop the abuse just give such a claim lip service. They have no problem saying plenty about keeping such programs. What do you propose we do to stop the abuse?

I suggested how to solve the SS problem. Let people opt out of it and if they choose not to invest/save privately, tough shit. At some point in time, choices have to have consequences. I'll go as far as saying a program like SS can stay in place for those that don't feel they have the ability to do it on their own. As long as those of us that opt out don't have to cover for them when the program can't sustain itself, I don't care if they participate in one or not.

 

[CFM]

And fact made quite clearly.

Yet he says nothing about how to stop the abuse in social welfare just that it needs to be stopped. That's what Liberals do. Lip service toward the abuse problem but nothing put into action.

How do you suggest we stop abuse in social welfare? How do we stop people from claiming they don't have money to buy their own food but seem to have enough to buy their own beer, cigarettes, candy bars, soda, etc?

 

[Sailor]

Yet he says nothing about how to stop the abuse in social welfare just that it needs to be stopped. That's what Liberals do. Lip service toward the abuse problem but nothing put into action.

How do you suggest we stop abuse in social welfare? How do we stop people from claiming they don't have money to buy their own food but seem to have enough to buy their own beer, cigarettes, candy bars, soda, etc?

Bill Clinton did it. Politicians after him undid it. If it worked, we should go back to it.

 

[CFM]

Bill Clinton did it. Politicians after him undid it. If it worked, we should go back to it.

If it worked, we wouldn't still have abuse.

I didn't ask what others did. I asked what YOU suggested.

I have not problem doing away with such programs and let things be done like they were before such things were put in place. If you see someone you think has a valid need, YOU take care of that need. I'll do the same. I won't tell you or suggest the government tell you who you should help and all I ask is that you don't tell me or support the government telling me.

 

[cawacko]

I understand how it works with SS. If you took my statement that I meant there was an account with my name on it, you're an idiot. I'd rather have the money I was required to pay and invest it myself. A much greater return than a socialist system. However, Inwill take it when it comes despite not needing it for one reason only and will do so even if someone needs it more. I was required to put in.

The problem with what you say about changing social programs is nothing but talk. I've suggested how the SS problem can be fixed. All you've said is the Liberal talking points about stopping abuse in social welfare. I have suggestions for it, too. They are harsh but would work.

Yet he says nothing about how to stop the abuse in social welfare just that it needs to be stopped. That's what Liberals do. Lip service toward the abuse problem but nothing put into action.

How do you suggest we stop abuse in social welfare? How do we stop people from claiming they don't have money to buy their own food but seem to have enough to buy their own beer, cigarettes, candy bars, soda, etc?

I have no problem with stopping abuse of any gov't program. As for specific policy proposals as it relates to welfare benefits I don't know any off the top of my head. Would need to look into it more

 

[CFM]

I have no problem with stopping abuse of any gov't program. As for specific policy proposals as it relates to welfare benefits I don't know any off the top of my head. Would need to look into it more

And there we have the Liberal response. Always looking into it but never doing anything about the abuse.

 

[cawacko]

And there we have the Liberal response. Always looking into it but never doing anything about the abuse.

I'm not a politician. I don't have political power. So no, I don't spend most of my time looking into abuses of the welfare system. That doesn't mean I think abuse is ok however.

We do know why it's the most important issue to you.

 

[CFM]

I'm not a politician. I don't have political power. So no, I don't spend most of my time looking into abuses of the welfare system. That doesn't mean I think abuse is ok however.

We do know why it's the most important issue to you.

Again, the excuses which are typical of Liberals.

If you think you know why it's important to me, say so or is that something you don't think about either, LIBERAL.