Aetna to Obamacare: We're outta here

aloysious said:
You clearly don't understand Moosecare. Govt. isn't really involved except for the collection of funds that go into a pool administered by a private independent agency.
It also relies on that pool to pick up the tab when people opt not to self fund. That's the beauty of it. Those that self fund and don't use it can will it to the next generation (or to the healthcare pool if they so choose) who also has to pay into a gubmint system or an hsa making it less likely for that generation to use the administered pool. The key is that everybody pays into the healthcare system and it's to be used only for healthcare .
Presently hsa's can be used like an IRA if not used. Moosecare would eliminate that loophole.
As long as everybody is paying into the system it doesn't really matter if it's an hsa or the Independently administered pool.
HSA's would actually be more efficient because there's no administrative costs involved. I really don't know what there is to not like about all that from dims, repubs, progressives, regressives, moonbats, thugs, or fascists. It's simply fair.
Glad that I could clarify that for you.
If you have any other misconceptions or thoughts about what is unfair I'll be happy to address it.
Or any questions about it.
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That's not true. Even if you in employ a SDIA, you can never use the money for anything other than qualified health expenditures. I don't know what 'loophole' you think you're eliminating?

You're typically short on specifics whenever you tout Moosecare. You always flee the discussion when I ask you what happens in year one, when someone has an accident and has $100,000 in medical bills, with $3000 in their HSA.

You're wrong about 'no administrative' costs with a HSA. Most have one if your balance falls below $2500

Trust me...you don't have to 'clarify anything ' for me. I've had a HSA since they became legal under Bush
 
aloysious said:
Big insurance companies are beholden to stockholders so they don't make decisions based on whether they are butt hurt or not. That was just a patently dishonest and stupid post that, and you know it.
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What's dishonest, is virtually every post you make on the topic. We expect stupidity from you.

Aetna was denied a merger, and they began making threats immediately.

That's not hard to understand for the rest of us.
 
Althea said:
That's not true. Even if you in employ a SDIA, you can never use the money for anything other than qualified health expenditures. I don't know what 'loophole' you think you're eliminating?

You're typically short on specifics whenever you tout Moosecare. You always flee the discussion when I ask you what happens in year one, when someone has an accident and has $100,000 in medical bills, with $3000 in their HSA.

You're wrong about 'no administrative' costs with a HSA. Most have one if your balance falls below $2500

Trust me...you don't have to 'clarify anything ' for me. I've had a HSA since they became legal under Bush
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Were you John Galt on dcj? If not you're as thick as he was.
 
Althea said:
What's dishonest, is virtually every post you make on the topic. We expect stupidity from you.

Aetna was denied a merger, and they began making threats immediately.

That's not hard to understand for the rest of us.
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You act as though it matters why Aetna pulled out of Obamacare. Without providers, many of whom have already dropped out due to the predicted massive losses that are upon them, Obamacare will simply dissolve on it's own. You can't buy beer when there are no liquor stores.
 
GazzaQueen said:
You act as though it matters why Aetna pulled out of Obamacare. Without providers, many of whom have already dropped out due to the predicted massive losses that are upon them, Obamacare will simply dissolve on it's own. You can't buy beer when there are no liquor stores.
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-Beer stores
-Mini marts
-Grocery stores
-Warehouse stores
-Breweries
 
aloysious said:
Withdrawals for non-medical expenses are treated very similarly to those in an individual retirement account (IRA) in that they may provide tax advantages if taken after retirement age, and they incur penalties if taken earlier.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_savings_account

I won't waste my time with you anymore, Galt.
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That's genius. You're doing away with a 'loophole' that penalizes you if you don't use HSA money for medical purposes? You really don't understand how they work, as proven by the fact that you've been studying the topic at Wiki.

Nor do you understand the insurance issue at all, which is why you keep touting your eponymous healthcare plan that is no better than ACA. Worse even.
 
Sailor said:
Moosecare. Seriously. It is genius and fair.
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You wanna give it a shot? Because the Moose just keeps embarrassing himself here. Can you tell us how a HSA is like an IRA? Can you tell us who foots the bill when a self funder doesn't have the money for an emergency procedure?

Hint....the govt pays.
 
Further proof that the Moose just doesn't take the time to learn the facts before posting nonsensical claims



http://www.businessinsider.com/aetna-humana-merger-reason-for-leaving-obamacare-2016-8

Aetna cited the large losses that the company has incurred from the exchange business — $200 million in the second quarter alone — when explaining its decision to roll back its business.
These statements, however, appeared to be a dramatic turnaround from the company's first-quarter earnings call in April, when CEO Mark Bertolini said the firm planned to stay in the exchanges and that the company was "in a very good place to make this a sustainable program."
 
Althea said:
You really don't understand how they work, as proven by the fact that you've been studying the topic at Wiki.
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Nope. Wiki only confirms what the IRS code is and what our CPA has advised. If I were you I'd fire whoever does your taxes .
We have an HSA too and have no intention of using it for medical expenses. We'll use it penalty free after retirement age .
 
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Althea said:
Can you tell us how a HSA is like an IRA? Can you tell us who foots the bill when a self funder doesn't have the money for an emergency procedure?

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I already explained both. Pretty simple actually.
@Sailor... I actually am in the process of writing an op-ed for the Anchorage newspaper about moosecare.
 
Althea said:
Further proof that the Moose just doesn't take the time to learn the facts before posting nonsensical claims



http://www.businessinsider.com/aetna-humana-merger-reason-for-leaving-obamacare-2016-8

Aetna cited the large losses that the company has incurred from the exchange business — $200 million in the second quarter alone — when explaining its decision to roll back its business.
These statements, however, appeared to be a dramatic turnaround from the company's first-quarter earnings call in April, when CEO Mark Bertolini said the firm planned to stay in the exchanges and that the company was "in a very good place to make this a sustainable program."
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Nice. You post one snippet from one article written in August 2016. There are many more after that, too many to post here. It's far more complicated than Aetna being butthurt. In fact if you think for a moment that a company will shut down a profitable operation because they're 'butthurt ' , well I've got some oceanfront property in Kansas with spectacular views for sale you'd be interested in.
 
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