They cant repeal Obamacare!

aloysious said:
It seems to me that you believe I'm not compassionate enough to help pay someone's health ins. that can't afford it because they have a $600/mo. smoking habit or are paying a lease on a Cadillac Escalade. Or in other words, I should be subsidizing their bad habits. No, I'm not compassionate in that regard. I leave that to the snowflakes and moonbats.
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I think we can both agree that this scenario rarely plays out. More often than not, people have a low paying job due to the economy, or competition in their field, and they simply cannot afford quality healthcare.
 
Althea said:
I think we can both agree that this scenario rarely plays out.
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Probably not the norm, but when it does I have no sympathy for it. None.
Althea said:
More often than not, people have a low paying job due to the economy, or competition in their field, and they simply cannot afford quality healthcare.
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Of course that's the case. I actually wouldn't mind it if there was some kind of gubmint Big Brother type thing to monitor those receiving Medicaid , or any gubmint assistance to see how much they spend on needless junk or unhealthy habits. You know, kind of like those with a gubmint job have to do random drug testing.
 
Althea said:
Excellent point. Before ACA, anyone (like myself) who had to shop in the individual market was screwed. And people who came down with serious illnesses were fired because of what they were doing to the group insurance premiums.
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So that gives you a right to someone else's property?

Why are you afraid to answer? Afraid of how it will make you look?
 
Jarod said:
Pre-ACA this scenario was common.


Pay-Check to Pay-Check employee is working for ACME Corporation. He gets his paycheck and insurance for the hard work and dedication he put into the job.

BAM, employee gets into a bad car accident and cannot work. Two to Three weeks later employee gets terminated because he can no longer do his job, insurance coverage ends. The former employee is offered COBRA, which is a possibility to stay on his policy at work, for about triple the price he was paying, because the employer no longer pays the portion they were paying. The employee loses coverage and is now diagnosed with a herniated disk that requires surgery. HE cant work, cant get private insurance because he has a PEC cant afford COBRA, and cant pay the Doctor because he cant work.

Under the ACA, this guy could get insurance, at a greatly reduced rate because he has no income... get his surgery and then go back to work.
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WOW

What a riveting tale you weave. There is only one teeny tiny itsy bitsy little problem with it.

Ready?

IT IS COMPLETE FABRICATED BULLSHIT

Now let me explain why. If someone is in an automobile accident ALL medical expenses related to said car accident are covered by automobile insurance.

Also he would go on disability and cannot be fired or his company is open to a lawsuit

Now how is it you could not know that.

Are you stupid? Uninformed? Lying?

Want to make up another "common story" to justify taking another's property?

Why don't you really go for broke this time? You know. Unemployed mother. Dad left. Beat her and raped her. She has a theee year old with terminal cancer and she works four jobs. Something like that.
 
aloysious said:
Probably not the norm, but when it does I have no sympathy for it. None. Of course that's the case. I actually wouldn't mind it if there was some kind of gubmint Big Brother type thing to monitor those receiving Medicaid , or any gubmint assistance to see how much they spend on needless junk or unhealthy habits. You know, kind of like those with a gubmint job have to do random drug testing.
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In some ways, I'm probably to the Right of you on these issues. In theory only, those who get a full ride with govt. benefits should not be allowed to smoke cigs, have pets, etc.
In practice I know it isn't possible, or even right. Further, I can't see the wisdom behind pot testing, as it doesn't take into account the fact that a neighbor can stop by with a joint once in awhile, and screw up a test. I estimate that 75% of govt aid is going to people who are scamming. I know plenty of them where I live. That also includes a wave of scam 'doctors' who bill Medicare/Caid illegally. Several have been in the news.

To the topic of availability of health insurance, the answer is simple. The hard part is getting the lobbyists out of Congress. We don't need a single payer system. We need a public option, and nothing else. If CEOs want to keep Cadillac care, more power to them. I want the chance to purchase low cost health coverage from the system with the lowest operating costs. The Big Ins. lobby won't allow that to happen. Why wouldn't the House just pass that, and move forward as necessary? It actually solves the Medicare funding problems.
 
I Love America said:
WOW

What a riveting tale you weave. There is only one teeny tiny itsy bitsy little problem with it.

Ready?

IT IS COMPLETE FABRICATED BULLSHIT

Now let me explain why. If someone is in an automobile accident ALL medical expenses related to said car accident are covered by automobile insurance.

Also he would go on disability and cannot be fired or his company is open to a lawsuit

Now how is it you could not know that.

Are you stupid? Uninformed? Lying?

Want to make up another "common story" to justify taking another's property?

Why don't you really go for broke this time? You know. Unemployed mother. Dad left. Beat her and raped her. She has a theee year old with terminal cancer and she works four jobs. Something like that.
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You are an anarchist...
and an asshole...
 
Inability to pay medical bills is the top cause of bankruptcy in the US.

*Medical Expenses

A recent Harvard University study showed that medical expenses account for approximately 62 percent of personal bankruptcies in the US. Interestingly, the study also showed that 72 percent of those who filed for bankruptcy due to medical expenses had some type of health insurance, thus debunking the myth that only the uninsured face financial catastrophes due to medical-related expenses.



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6887642

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Althea said:
In some ways, I'm probably to the Right of you on these issues. In theory only, those who get a full ride with govt. benefits should not be allowed to smoke cigs, have pets, etc
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No pets??? Wow, you are sadistic. At least let those on govt. assistance adopt them.
 
I Love America said:
WOW

What a riveting tale you weave. There is only one teeny tiny itsy bitsy little problem with it.

Ready?

IT IS COMPLETE FABRICATED BULLSHIT

Now let me explain why. If someone is in an automobile accident ALL medical expenses related to said car accident are covered by automobile insurance.

Also he would go on disability and cannot be fired or his company is open to a lawsuit

Now how is it you could not know that.

Are you stupid? Uninformed? Lying?

Want to make up another "common story" to justify taking another's property?

Why don't you really go for broke this time? You know. Unemployed mother. Dad left. Beat her and raped her. She has a theee year old with terminal cancer and she works four jobs. Something like that.
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False... The Insurance company will not pay until forced to by threat of suit or actual verdict and judgement against them. Being on disability does not prevent your company from firing you.

You are uninformed.
 
Jarod said:
False... The Insurance company will not pay until forced to by threat of suit or actual verdict and judgement against them. Being on disability does not prevent your company from firing you.

You are uninformed.
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You a lying piece of shit

1) if you are in a car accident your medical expense are covered by auto insurance. Period.

2) if you are out of work, you will most likely be covered by disability if your injuries are bad enough and if your employer qualifies you are covered by FMLA for 12 weeks and your employer CANNOT fire you while on FMLA. After the 12 weeks you are subject to termination

You are such an uninformed twat. Just accept your beating
 
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