They cant repeal Obamacare!

aloysious said:
Here's the real solution.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?78674-I-m-no-lawyer-but&p=1860062#post1860062

If republicans were smart (and they're not) they'd leave ACA alone and let it either fail , which is what it's doing in states that have one ins. carrier, or let it succeed.
It's a hot potato.

But both parties are full of petulant children nowadays. My way or the highway. Then the political pendulum inevitably swings to the other extreme.
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The problem with that is they've spent 7 years tearing at Obamacare and making promises they cannot keep.

They made Obamacare the very basis of their platform.

They've set their own trap they cannot escape from by doing nothing.
 
blackascoal said:
The problem with that is they've spent 7 years tearing at Obamacare and making promises they cannot keep. They made Obamacare the very basis of their platform.
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Don't know what promises you're referring to but both repubs and dims do that.

ACA was supposed to bring down premiums and foster competition among ins. companies. Now we have fewer ins. companies in business, only 1 operating in seven states and premiums keep going through the roof. What a bad joke that turned out to be.
blackascoal said:
They've set their own trap they cannot escape from by doing nothing.
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I agree. Now they own the hot potato for now. Ryancare is a nonsolution to a big problem. It may even turn out to be a bigger one. From what I've seen it looks like he had some high school students fabricate it. (Not much different than ACA).
Trump loyalists sound alarm over ‘RyanCare,’ endangering health bill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.c0849248b2e7

The best that can happen for repubs is that they can't agree on Ryancare and it doesn't pass. Not that that's a good thing for them but better than passing a piece of shit legislation. But I could be wrong.
 
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aloysious said:
Don't know what promises you're referring to but both repubs and dims do that.
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Sure you do. They promised their plan would be less expensive, more comprehensive, amd would cover everybody.

I agree. Now they own the hot potato. Ryancare is a nonsolution to a big problem. From what I've seen it looks like he had some high school students fabricate it. (Not much different than ACA). It may even turn out to be a bigger one.
Trump loyalists sound alarm over ‘RyanCare,’ endangering health bill
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...0f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.c0849248b2e7
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The ACA was created by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.
 
Yaya said:
Obamacare is a disaster and I was hoping the cons would fix it, repeal it, whatever, but that doesn't look likely.
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This is true, but if they can't fix it(and they can't), they should just let it die(and it will). Trump says that is the right thing to do politically, but it won't be good for the people of the country. I think it's time for an economics lesson for some of those same people.
 
blackascoal said:
Sure you do. They promised their plan would be less expensive, more comprehensive, amd would cover everybody.
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They lied.


blackascoal said:
The ACA was created by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation.
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I thought Nancy Pelosi did. So the Heritage Foundation are the culprits. Fuck 'em.
Either somebody come up with a plan where everybody pays in or provide euthanasia at a discount for the uninsured.
Moosecare would work and has elements to satisfy most. I'd officially call it The Fairness in Healthcare Act. I wouldn't lie and say it would cut costs and be affordable. Just fair to most everybody.
Everything else is unfair to a large segment of society.
 
aloysious said:
They lied.


I thought Nancy Pelosi did. So the Heritage Foundation are the culprits. Fuck 'em.
Either somebody come up with a plan where everybody pays in or provide euthanasia at a discount for the uninsured.
Moosecare would work and has elements to satisfy most. I'd officially call it The Fairness in Healthcare Act. I wouldn't lie and say it would cut costs and be affordable. Just fair to most everybody.
Everything else is unfair to a large segment of society.
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http://americablog.com/2013/10/orig...on-created-obamacares-individual-mandate.html
 
aloysious said:
They lied.


I thought Nancy Pelosi did. So the Heritage Foundation are the culprits. Fuck 'em.
Either somebody come up with a plan where everybody pays in or provide euthanasia at a discount for the uninsured.
Moosecare would work and has elements to satisfy most. I'd officially call it The Fairness in Healthcare Act. I wouldn't lie and say it would cut costs and be affordable. Just fair to most everybody.
Everything else is unfair to a large segment of society.
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Letting people die if they can't pay? Fuck you.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
would pointing out how badly you want this president to fail make you look very hypocritical????? or would you just tell me 'they did it too'?
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He's failing all by his lonesome. We have nothing to do with it. Maybe if he actually sat down long enough to learn the system and understand how government works he wouldn't suck so bad.

There was a blizzard in DC yet he had to fly to another adoration rally in the midwest. And your taxes are paying for all this travel and glad-handing.
 
callinectes said:
This is true, but if they can't fix it(and they can't), they should just let it die(and it will). Trump says that is the right thing to do politically, but it won't be good for the people of the country. I think it's time for an economics lesson for some of those same people.
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IMO this thing ryan came up with is a bit better than obamacare but it doesnt solve the fundamental issues so it is still not worth passing.
 
callinectes said:
This is true, but if they can't fix it(and they can't), they should just let it die(and it will). Trump says that is the right thing to do politically, but it won't be good for the people of the country. I think it's time for an economics lesson for some of those same people.
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The problem with the 'let it die' theory is that democrats will keep proposing legislation to fix it. Sure, republicans can ignore them, but then you own it .. and when it dies, you own it because you couldn't figure out anything better, but let it die out of spite..

Either way, you own it.
 
blackascoal said:
The problem with the 'let it die' theory is that democrats will keep proposing legislation to fix it. Sure, republicans can ignore them, but then you own it .. and when it dies, you own it because you couldn't figure out anything better, but let it die out of spite..

Either way, you own it.
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No, we don't. The guy that engineered this nightmare is an econ professor from MIT! As recently as a couple of months ago he was saying that it was working "as designed"! And actually it is, because it was designed to fail, it was designed to fail and lead you by the nose to the conclusion that single payer is the only solution to this terrible "crisis". You lefties always hold up science as the end all and be all, so it makes sense that you would get a scientist to draft it, so why is it failing? And do you really believe a bunch of dumbass politicians(of both parties)are going to fix it? You said it yourself, "Even science no longer makes sense"
 
So dems pass terrible HC law. Dems refuse to help fix terrible law. Now lib OP thinks its GOPs fault for not fixing it better for them...

Great logic.
 
Jarod said:
It is very funny to me, enjoyable to me that the Republican House of Representatives, Republican Senate and Republican President cant repeal the increasingly popular Obamacare.

They are going to fail, how will that affect the mid-terms?

Will it help them by allowing them to trick simple Trump voters into somehow believing it is the Democrats fault...

or

Will it result in a disaster for the Republicans delivering Democratic majorities to both houses, resulting in the Democrats attaining the power to conduct reality based investigations?
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They are too smart to repeal Obamacare ...
If they did, the republican party would cease to be...
Taking away the healthcare of 24 million Americans would be certain political suicide...
Even Trump has abandoned any support for Ryancare...
LMFAO
 
callinectes said:
No, we don't. The guy that engineered this nightmare is an econ professor from MIT! As recently as a couple of months ago he was saying that it was working "as designed"! And actually it is, because it was designed to fail, it was designed to fail and lead you by the nose to the conclusion that single payer is the only solution to this terrible "crisis". You lefties always hold up science as the end all and be all, so it makes sense that you would get a scientist to draft it, so why is it failing? And do you really believe a bunch of dumbass politicians(of both parties)are going to fix it? You said it yourself, "Even science no longer makes sense"
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the AHA was a brilliant piece of legislation...
The only solution to it's failure is single payer...
Even the republican congress has reluctantly come to this realization ...
Ryan-care is DOA...
LMFAO
 
Nomad said:
You should call yourself Teflon Brain. It's obvious nothing has ever stuck.

People NEED health care and when it costs more than a house, two cars and two college educations for treatment of the kinds of serious and terminal diseases we're ALL (you included) subject to, then YES WE DO need a health care bill.

Something has to be done so that people can get treated for this stuff without making themselves homeless and destitute.

And let's be honest here.... if you lost your insurance (assuming you even have it and aren't one of those idiots who plan to use the ER when you get sick then stiff the hospital as I suspect you are) then became seriously ill, you'd be right there in the free handout line with the rest of them.

Quit trying to act like you're above anything or anyone.

You are not.
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Just a bunch of emotional pablum designed to scare and not rooted in anything serious

For what you describe a REAL medical insurance would be a catastrophic plan to cover unforeseen events.

Everything else pay cash. It worked in the past, it will work today. Let people make their own healthcare decisions the way they make other economic decisions in their life.

Just admit you want others to pay for you. Admit you are a taker. Are you afraid?
 
Teflon Don said:
Just a bunch of emotional pablum designed to scare and not rooted in anything serious

For what you describe a REAL medical insurance would be a catastrophic plan to cover unforeseen events.

Everything else pay cash. It worked in the past, it will work today. Let people make their own healthcare decisions the way they make other economic decisions in their life.

Just admit you want others to pay for you. Admit you are a taker. Are you afraid?
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I don't take anything from anybody, including the govt and I never have, Teflon Brain.

You've probably sucked more from the taxpayers' tit than anyone. It's usually people like you who talk the loudest and beat your chests the hardest who are also the biggest hypocrites on such matters.

And btw, I actually agree about concentrating on covering catastrophic illness/injury while letting more minor medical issues be worked out in other ways, via private insurance or self pay. But self payers shouldn't be allowed to be financially raped like they are now.

I also believe that catastrophic coverage should be on a pay as you can afford basis using a sliding scale percentage of income as a guideline, with preventative care and screenings being be part of that coverage.

Below a certain income level, the coverage should be subsidized and low/no cost clinics should be available in every city, to those who meet certain income guidelines, to take care of less serious issues.
 
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