Surprised and happy, Trump obey's.

Mott the Hoople said:
This brings up a serious question for me. If this EO is meant to protect our nation from Islamic radicals why isn't Saudi Arabia on this list?
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Ask Obama, he drew up the list.
Damocles said:
Read what I wrote. You have to be the worst lawyer when it comes to constitutional law I have ever spoken with. Congress has that authority. They then gave this part of it over to the Executive in the statute previously listed above. It isn't that difficult to understand. He is fully within his given authority to write a travel ban from a list of nations, Congress wrote the statute... And they have the power to grant that authority... Simple path, easiest case ever to bring before the SCOTUS that ever existed.
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Yaya said:
What are the immigrants being denied? Liberty? It is not a right to come to America. I thought this might apply, but after thinking it through, I'm not so sure.
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tsuke said:
isnt syria muslim majority?

Doesnt ISIS treat christians worse than muslims?
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Absolutely not, there have been several articles about how Isis is much more harsh on Muslims, Who they believe have been unfaithful, than Christians.
 
Buckly J. Ewer said:
We are still closer to a constitutional crisis than many of you think...
If Trump listens to the racist bigots, Bannon and Flynn, and enforces the EO against the courts we have an impeachable offense ...
It matters not if the congress granted the authority to the executive branch... An unconstitutional order is still unconstitutional...
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Nostradumbarse is off again, the twat never learns.

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Mott the Hoople said:
My guess is that the Administration will reword the order to make it constitutionally valid but the travel ban will stand. Trump sure is expending a lot of political capital on this though.
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If he does that, he'll be broadening the scope of the ban. I wonder if he'll be pressured to add S.A and other business partners to the list?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Time will tell which of you to is right. The courts will determine that and in the process Trump will have respected the rule of law and the courts will determine the balance of power and constitutionality of his order proving our government works. I can see as a libertarian that will be a terrible blow to you but I'm satisfied. :)
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That's inane. It wouldn't be a "terrible blow" to me. It is a relatively simple problem though.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Time will tell which of you to is right. The courts will determine that and in the process Trump will have respected the rule of law and the courts will determine the balance of power and constitutionality of his order proving our government works. I can see as a libertarian that will be a terrible blow to you but I'm satisfied. :)
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I have not said that I think that Supreme Court will overturn the ban, I have simply said that there can be constitutional issues here. It is inain to say differently.

Pure stupidity to say differently.

Just because Congress has plenary authority does not mean they can violate the Constitution, and if they give their power to the president it does not mean he is allowed to violate the Constitution. To say differently is pure stupidity.
 
Jarod said:
I have not said that I think that Supreme Court will overturn the ban, I have simply said that there can be constitutional issues here. It is inain to say differently.

Pure stupidity to say differently.

Just because Congress has plenary authority does not mean they can violate the Constitution, and if they give their power to the president it does not mean he is allowed to violate the Constitution. To say differently is pure stupidity.
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correct me if im wrong the only issue i see here is whether or not it is a muslim ban correct? It is the only one I can see that may violate due process.

Given that its only limited to 7 countries I cant see how it stands.
 
tsuke said:
correct me if im wrong the only issue i see here is whether or not it is a muslim ban correct? It is the only one I can see that may violate due process.

Given that its only limited to 7 countries I cant see how it stands.
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I agree. He also erred when he granted immunity to Christians.
 
Jarod said:
Because it is a Federal Question based on Constitutional Law.
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Jarod said:
I have not said that I think that Supreme Court will overturn the ban, I have simply said that there can be constitutional issues here. It is inain to say differently.

Pure stupidity to say differently.

Just because Congress has plenary authority does not mean they can violate the Constitution, and if they give their power to the president it does not mean he is allowed to violate the Constitution. To say differently is pure stupidity.
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This will be interesting to see who predicts the outcome. You do know what plenary means, right?
 
Jarod said:
Plenary does not mean you have the right to violate the Constitution.
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It does, however, underscore what I said. Plenary = absolute...

You can't violate plenary powers. Had he said just Muslims from these countries couldn't come you may have a point. But he didn't.

As I've said. It is a relatively simplistic equation, even for lawyers. One of the most straight forward to bring to the SCOTUS that I've ever seen and I'm predicting the SCOTUS upholds the travel ban.
 
Althea said:
I agree. He also erred when he granted immunity to Christians.
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Yes. By giving exception to the ban to Christians the EO puts into play the necessity for a religious test... Who is really a Muslim, who is really a Christian ... and it brings into question are any other religious groups given exception, or just Christians?
The wording that brings the need for a religious test alone puts the order into unconstitutional territory...
 
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