FBI campaign against Einstein revealed

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Sorry I'm just now posting this but just been busy the last few days.

Link- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2033324.stm

By Dr David Whitehouse
BBC News Online science editor


A new book reveals the 22-year effort by FBI director J Edgar Hoover to get Albert Einstein arrested as a political subversive or even a Soviet spy.
Uncovered FBI files are revealed in a book by Fred Jerome who says it was a clash of cultures - Einstein's challenge and change with Hoover's order and obedience.

From the time Einstein arrived in the US in 1933 to the time of his death, in 1955, the FBI files reveal that his phone was tapped, his mail was opened and even his trash searched.

Einstein became world famous in 1906 for his Special Theory of Relativity that deals with light.

His General Theory of Relativity, published in 1919, deals with gravity and has been called mankind's greatest intellectual accomplishment.

Derogatory information

The Einstein File begins with a request by J Edgar Hoover in 1950: "Please furnish a report as to the nature of any derogatory information contained in any file your bureau may have on the following person."

That person was Albert Einstein, and the request intensified a secret campaign to discredit him.

Hoover was worried about Einstein's liberal intellectualism and his dabbling in politics, something that has been forgotten today. It has been overtaken by Einstein's absent-minded professor image.

But Einstein was outspoken against social injustice and violations of civil rights.

The fledgling state of Israel once offered Einstein its presidency. Einstein declined.

The broad outline of this story has been known since 1983, when Richard Alan Schwartz, a professor of English at Florida International University in Miami, obtained a censored version of Einstein's 1,427-page FBI file.

But Jerome uncovers new material.

He sued the US Government with the help of the Public Citizen Litigation Group to obtain all the documents in the Einstein file.


More at the link
 
Interesting I saw you mention that on the other thread and I was just searching around for information about it.
 
What other thread?? This is the first I believe I mentioned it here at JPP. *shrug* I'm surprised though they were spying on him since he was popular for his science and all. Not too many people talk much about his activism I don't think. I'm glad this is out though.

Interesting I saw you mention that on the other thread and I was just searching around for information about it.
 
What other thread?? This is the first I believe I mentioned it here at JPP. *shrug* I'm surprised though they were spying on him since he was popular for his science and all. Not too many people talk much about his activism I don't think. I'm glad this is out though.

http://justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?p=180827&highlight=einstein#post180827

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Aw they've been doing this for years though. This way though makes it legal which is scary as hell. (See Einstein and Lennon)
 
What other thread?? This is the first I believe I mentioned it here at JPP. *shrug* I'm surprised though they were spying on him since he was popular for his science and all. Not too many people talk much about his activism I don't think. I'm glad this is out though.

J. Edgar Hoover spied on a lot of people. If people had known what was going on in the FBI during those days, McCarthyism wouldn't have that name.
 
Geez. If you want to know a surprising one check out Echelon and Clinton. Denial is requisite, but not believable.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/20/the-echelon-myth/


The Echelon Myth
Prominent right-wing bloggers – including Michelle Malkin, the Corner, Wizbang and Free Republic — are pushing the argument that President Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program isn’t news because the Clinton administration did the same thing.

The right-wing outlet NewsMax sums up the basic argument:

During the 1990’s under President Clinton, the National Security Agency monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named Echelon…all of it done without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.

That’s flatly false. The Clinton administration program, code-named Echelon, complied with FISA. Before any conversations of U.S. persons were targeted, a FISA warrant was obtained. CIA director George Tenet testified to this before Congress on 4/12/00:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON#History



History
Reportedly created to monitor the military and diplomatic communications of the Soviet Union and its East Bloc allies during the Cold War in the early sixties, today ECHELON is believed to search also for hints of terrorist plots, drug-dealers' plans, and political and diplomatic intelligence. But some critics, including the European Union committee that commissioned the EU report, claim the system is being used also for large-scale commercial theft and invasion of privacy.

While details of methods and capabilities are highly sensitive and protected by special laws (e.g. 18 USC 798), gathering signals intelligence (SIGINT) is an acknowledged mission of the U.S. National Security Agency. As of August 2006, their web site had a FAQ page on the topic,[7] which states:

“ NSA/CSS’s Signal Intelligence mission is to intercept and analyze foreign adversaries' communications signals, many of which are protected by codes and other complex countermeasures. We collect, process, and disseminate intelligence reports on foreign intelligence targets in response to intelligence requirements set at the highest levels of government. ... Foreign intelligence means information relating to the capabilities, intentions, and activities of foreign powers, organizations or persons. ”

In 2001, the STOA report (p. 19) recommended that citizens of member states routinely use cryptography in their communications to protect their privacy.[8]
 
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LOL. Bring on Desh. Deniability does not change that Echelon does exist and is working. There is no way to make it not listen to certain calls when it simply works on a pipeline.

I told you that denial doesn't make it false, it just means that it was denied. It is amazing the trust you put in "During Clinton it was always FISA compliant"...

As well as ignoring the problematic portions of FISA at the same time. Like Warrants after the fact...

If you listen to a pipeline for certain phrases, catch what you want, you can then get a Warrant for what you have done. FISA is in itself a violation of constitutional rights.
 
So why did you bother to post if you apparently don't care? I am in that "we" you mention and I care. If you don't care go to some other thread and fuck off. You apparently care on some level for coming in and making this stupid comment. :gives:

I was asking why we should care, but feel free to grab a tampon.
 
LOL. Bring on Desh. Deniability does not change that Echelon does exist and is working. There is no way to make it not listen to certain calls when it simply works on a pipeline.

I told you that denial doesn't make it false, it just means that it was denied. It is amazing the trust you put in "During Clinton it was always FISA compliant"...

As well as ignoring the problematic portions of FISA at the same time. Like Warrants after the fact...

If you listen to a pipeline for certain phrases, catch what you want, you can then get a Warrant for what you have done. FISA is in itself a violation of constitutional rights.

They changed it sot aht what George Bush was doing is now A-OK.

It's call the "Protect America Act". Don't you just love how they name bills now aday?
 
It's not like it makes much of a difference anyway. FISA is basically a rubber stamps. Out of tens of thousands of cases, they have only rejected five warrants, in their entire history.
 
They changed it sot aht what George Bush was doing is now A-OK.

It's call the "Protect America Act". Don't you just love how they name bills now aday?
The reality is it wasn't changed. The after the fact warrants were always there. That Bush believed he didn't need them doesn't change the reality that this law is a huge violation of people's rights.
 
I've posted many quotes and comments by Einstein here, because like me, he was a socialist. Anyone who recognizes the character of Hoover, the FBI, and the American people, then and now, would know that socialism sends chills down their spines.

In fact, any ideology that considers humans before capital sends chills down their spines.
 
Yep. Before the 2006 election John Conyers held a basement hearing about this and it's some scary shit. I don't know if it'd still be up on CSPAN's archives though. Jonathan Turley has talked about this a lot.

It's not like it makes much of a difference anyway. FISA is basically a rubber stamps. Out of tens of thousands of cases, they have only rejected five warrants, in their entire history.
 
Sad but true. Nixon spied on political enemies all the time. I'm sure Bush does it too.

I've posted many quotes and comments by Einstein here, because like me, he was a socialist. Anyone who recognizes the character of Hoover, the FBI, and the American people, then and now, would know that socialism sends chills down their spines.

In fact, any ideology that considers humans before capital sends chills down their spines.
 
Yep. Before the 2006 election John Conyers held a basement hearing about this and it's some scary shit. I don't know if it'd still be up on CSPAN's archives though. Jonathan Turley has talked about this a lot.

Unfortunately Conyers no longer has the courage to present it or fight for it.
 
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