California Bullet Train Running Multi-Billion Over Budget

cawacko

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Can't say this is surprising or no one saw this coming. And this is just the beginning.

(article was a b*tch to copy and paste so only got half of it posted)




California's bullet train is hurtling toward a multibillion-dollar overrun, a confidential federal report warns


California’s bullet train could*cost taxpayers 50% more than estimated — as much as $3.6 billion more. And that’s just for the first 118 miles through the Central Valley, which was*supposed to be the easiest part of the route between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

A confidential Federal Railroad Administration risk analysis, obtained by The Times, projects that building bridges, viaducts, trenches and track from Merced to Shafter, just north of Bakersfield,*could*cost*$9.5 billion to $10 billion, compared with*the original budget of $6.4 billion.

The federal document outlines far-reaching management problems: significant delays in environmental planning, lags in processing invoices for federal grants and continuing failures to acquire needed property.*

The California High-Speed Rail Authority originally anticipated completing the Central Valley track by this year, but the federal risk analysis estimates that that won’t happen until 2024, placing the project seven years behind schedule.

The report, the most critical official assessment of the project to surface so far, is labeled a “confidential-draft deliberative document for internal use only” and*was*presented by senior Federal Railroad Administration executives to*California rail authority board Chairman Dan Richard and Chief Executive Jeff Morales on Dec. 1 in Washington.

This analysis puts the state on notice that it could face bigger cost overruns than anticipated and much longer delays than*have been made public, a troubling critique by an agency that has been a stalwart supporter and longtime financier of the nation’s largest infrastructure project.

Morales cautioned in an interview that the numbers in the analysis are only projections and estimates that do not account for intervention by the rail authority, and he asserted that the construction in the Central Valley will cost less than the risk analysis indicates. The estimates, he said, are based on a lot of assumptions that the authority wants to ensure*are correct.

“The point of doing this analysis is to identify the challenges and work through them,” he said. “They are not conclusions and not findings.”
The Federal Railroad Administration is tracking the project because it has extended $3.5 billion in two grants to help build the Central Valley segment. The administration has an obligation to ensure*that the state complies with the terms, including a requirement that the state has the funding to match the federal grants.*
Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Turlock), chairman of the House rail subcommittee, said Friday he would conduct an oversight hearing in the near future and fight any further federal funding.

“Despite past issues with funding this boondoggle, we were repeatedly assured in an August field hearing that construction costs were under control,” he said in a statement. “They continue to reaffirm my belief that this is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.”

The railroad administration’s*analysis shows that the state*


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bullet-cost-overruns-20170106-story.html
 
In one of those blue states, Northeast, the section of the nation that made this nation, we got buildings older than most States

you're in the NE where you're losing population. Congrats.

You'd probably be spouting off for this bullet train then burying your head when the costs come out.
 
$10b for a train?????? Are you guys nutz? why not just hire Uber drivers for the entire state's population?
 
I lived in Cali and supported the bullet train until the cost overruns went absurd.

For Pete's sake, it has to go up through the grapevine, then through the valley. I understand about the farmland, however, with the antiquated rail that runs through the farmland now, how can anyone complain? A high speed train will not hold up the roads like cargo or Amtrak.

I don't live there anymore, so don't really care, but still, this country needs high speed transit. I would think the east coast would love this.
 
True people really want to come to California to see the highest poverty rate in the nation, and watch the Mexican slaves pick grapes..................................
 
you're in the NE where you're losing population. Congrats.

You'd probably be spouting off for this bullet train then burying your head when the costs come out.

If you Californians want to learn about cost overruns for large projects just come to the great liberal state of Massachusetts. No one in this country is better at building things that do not work for way more than projected. Like the Big Dig. You Californians are neophytes when it comes to wasting money. Geez. I thought liberal states stayed in contact with each other........
 
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wait, I thought liberals tried to tell us blue states didn't cost us anything......

"the argument is made in the context of total costs" c #5


States pay revenues to the U.S. federal government, and receive $cash in return, in the form of federal highway funds, etc.

It may not be an absolute rule.

BUT !!

According to what I've read of it, "red" or Republican dominated States tend to draw more from the U.S. federal government than they provide: that means net revenue $negative.

So as you might imagine, it's the "blue" States that make up the difference.
 
"I thought gobblement programs were always more efficient." #14

Where'd you get that idea?

Some are.
Some aren't.

I recently began collecting both Social Security and pension from a Fortune 500 employer.

It took months to get the pension arrangements made.
- I telephoned their 800 number.
- They sent me a load of paperwork.
- I completed the paperwork and sent it back.
- Many more weeks passed.

In vivid contrast, to begin to collect Social Security, I got on the Internet.gov site on Monday afternoon.
I spent about 15 minutes completing their online questionnaire.
And by Friday morning of the same week, my bank statement reported my Social Security payment for that month was already in my bank account, and accessible.

Don't get me wrong.
Government can %$#@ up things TITANIC!!

But it is not axiomatic that it always will.

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Ironically, health care is another obvious example.
In some nations where single payer healthcare is the law of the land, their per capita healthcare costs are lower than the U.S., and their health outcomes are better.
 
And the estimated cost of riding this are still higher than a southwest flight to LA. This was Jerry's baby however...
 
Can't say this is surprising or no one saw this coming. And this is just the beginning.

(article was a b*tch to copy and paste so only got half of it posted)




California's bullet train is hurtling toward a multibillion-dollar overrun, a confidential federal report warns


California’s bullet train could*cost taxpayers 50% more than estimated — as much as $3.6 billion more. And that’s just for the first 118 miles through the Central Valley, which was*supposed to be the easiest part of the route between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

A confidential Federal Railroad Administration risk analysis, obtained by The Times, projects that building bridges, viaducts, trenches and track from Merced to Shafter, just north of Bakersfield,*could*cost*$9.5 billion to $10 billion, compared with*the original budget of $6.4 billion.

The federal document outlines far-reaching management problems: significant delays in environmental planning, lags in processing invoices for federal grants and continuing failures to acquire needed property.*

The California High-Speed Rail Authority originally anticipated completing the Central Valley track by this year, but the federal risk analysis estimates that that won’t happen until 2024, placing the project seven years behind schedule.

The report, the most critical official assessment of the project to surface so far, is labeled a “confidential-draft deliberative document for internal use only” and*was*presented by senior Federal Railroad Administration executives to*California rail authority board Chairman Dan Richard and Chief Executive Jeff Morales on Dec. 1 in Washington.

This analysis puts the state on notice that it could face bigger cost overruns than anticipated and much longer delays than*have been made public, a troubling critique by an agency that has been a stalwart supporter and longtime financier of the nation’s largest infrastructure project.

Morales cautioned in an interview that the numbers in the analysis are only projections and estimates that do not account for intervention by the rail authority, and he asserted that the construction in the Central Valley will cost less than the risk analysis indicates. The estimates, he said, are based on a lot of assumptions that the authority wants to ensure*are correct.

“The point of doing this analysis is to identify the challenges and work through them,” he said. “They are not conclusions and not findings.”
The Federal Railroad Administration is tracking the project because it has extended $3.5 billion in two grants to help build the Central Valley segment. The administration has an obligation to ensure*that the state complies with the terms, including a requirement that the state has the funding to match the federal grants.*
Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Turlock), chairman of the House rail subcommittee, said Friday he would conduct an oversight hearing in the near future and fight any further federal funding.

“Despite past issues with funding this boondoggle, we were repeatedly assured in an August field hearing that construction costs were under control,” he said in a statement. “They continue to reaffirm my belief that this is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.”

The railroad administration’s*analysis shows that the state*


http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-bullet-cost-overruns-20170106-story.html
High speed trains are expensive, HS2 has just been given the go ahead and may cost up to £50 billion. It is not just the speed it add a huge amount of extra capacity to an overloaded network.

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