NFL TV Ratings Continue To Dive.

cawacko said:
To make sure I understand your point you're saying the decline in NFL viewership has nothing at all to do with Kap's protests?
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I don't know if Althea is but I sure as hell am.

The decline with football has to do with over exposure, violence and the associated problem of CTE and the gross inflation on the cost of going to a game. You know what kills a sport? When a kid doesn't grow up loving it. You know what's the best way to get a kid to love a sport? Teach him how to play it and then take him to a pro game to see it played at the highest level.

How many parents can afford to take their kids to an NFL game these days? The cost to go see a game, when adjusted for inflation, is nearly triple what it was in 1996.

In 96 I went to an NFL game. I took a date. I had seats on the 30 yard line about midway up the stadium. The total cost for tickets, parking, beers and a couple of hot dogs was $100. I took the Misses to a NFL game last year at one of the cheapest venues in the league (Cincinnati) and did the same deal. Tickets (same area, 30 yard line midway up the stadium), parking, a couple of beers each and a hot dog each....it cost $350. $100 ea for the tickets, $50 for stadium parking, $100 for about beers and snacks.

Last summer I took my nephew to an MLB game. Had great lower lever seats between 3rd base and home Total cost for tickets, parking and snacks was a little over $100 ($35/ticket, $10 parking, $30 for snacks). A Dad with four kids could have taken his kids to the game for a similar price with the upper level seats.


Not many families can take the kids to an NFL game now...not at $150 to $175 a person total cost.
 
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The issue is viewership, not attendance. It doesn't cost anything but a TV to watch a game. The issue is why is viewership down.
 
cawacko said:
The issue is viewership, not attendance. It doesn't cost anything but a TV to watch a game. The issue is why is viewership down.
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I just explained why. Don't you think, long term, that actual game attendance affects TV viewership?

When young fans don't get the opportunity to attend because they can't afford to attend a sport they tend to drift towards those they can. Football has seen amazing growth over a short term but I seriously doubt, because of the intrinsic problems associated with the sport, that it will displace baseball over the long haul.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I just explained why. Don't you think, long term, that actual game attendance affects TV viewership?

When young fans don't get the opportunity to attend because they can't afford to attend a sport they tend to drift towards those they can. Football has seen amazing growth over a short term but I seriously doubt, because of the intrinsic problems associated with the sport, that it will displace baseball over the long haul.
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Game attendance isn't dropping off. Game prices have been rising as the league has grown in popularity. Millions upon millions of Americans watch football and play fantasy football. Millions upon millions don't attend NFL games.
 
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Right.
I'd at least like to review the allegedly corroborating data that supports the thesis.
But if the topic thesis is true, it's news to me.
And candidly, if the thesis is true, I'd think we'd have heard of it from other sources.

I haven't.
 
cawacko said:
Bro, football is not baseball. Football is the not the number one sport because people don't tune in to end of the year to watch. TV doesn't pay multiple billions to air it because people tune in at the end of the year. You are completely misunderstanding the econonics of the sport
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No. I'm not. Late in the season you bring in the casual viewers, and even women who suddenly have something of interest to tune in for.

Same as baseball.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Absolutely I am. I just proved it based on objective metrics. Baseball is simply the best team sport in the world because it has the best objective of any team sport in the world.

Not to mention nothing comes even close in all of sports to the difficulty of hitting major league pitching. You're like Tom...you just don't know greatness is sport if you don't recognize baseball for what it is, the greatest team sport in the world.
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You're certainly entitled to your own opinions, but I was addressing the cost to bring your family to a game.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
I don't know if Althea is but I sure as hell am.

The decline with football has to do with over exposure, violence and the associated problem of CTE and the gross inflation on the cost of going to a game. You know what kills a sport? When a kid doesn't grow up loving it. You know what's the best way to get a kid to love a sport? Teach him how to play it and then take him to a pro game to see it played at the highest level.

How many parents can afford to take their kids to an NFL game these days? The cost to go see a game, when adjusted for inflation, is nearly triple what it was in 1996.

In 96 I went to an NFL game. I took a date. I had seats on the 30 yard line about midway up the stadium. The total cost for tickets, parking, beers and a couple of hot dogs was $100. I took the Misses to a NFL game last year at one of the cheapest venues in the league (Cincinnati) and did the same deal. Tickets (same area, 30 yard line midway up the stadium), parking, a couple of beers each and a hot dog each....it cost $350. $100 ea for the tickets, $50 for stadium parking, $100 for about beers and snacks.

Last summer I took my nephew to an MLB game. Had great lower lever seats between 3rd base and home Total cost for tickets, parking and snacks was a little over $100 ($35/ticket, $10 parking, $30 for snacks). A Dad with four kids could have taken his kids to the game for a similar price with the upper level seats.


Not many families can take the kids to an NFL game now...not at $150 to $175 a person total cost.
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What team offers lower level seats for $35? Was it pre season?
 
Althea said:
It could be argued that replay rules were borne out of that blown call.

As far as a team effort, I don't think Baseball is the ultimate team game. Basketball probably trumps it based solely on the fact that 5 allstars can't win unless they play as a team.

A star pitcher can single handedly keep the opposition in check for the whole game.

I don't see the masses coming back to baseball. Too slow moving and boring at times. Women tune in to NFL more than they do baseball.
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The NFL took away replay in early 90s. If you ever wanted to know why they brought it back, here's the phantom touchdown:

 
Mott the Hoople said:
Look...anyone who does not recognize baseball as the greatest team sport in the world just simply doesn't understand sport. It's not something that can be measured in TV revenue.
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The OP refers to just that...viewership.

Baseball is dying in this country. Kids aren't interested in Little League anymore. I watch the dwindling numbers in my area, as I used to coach. Softball leagues are also dwindling for fast pitch leagues that are typically created for younger players.

You will always have pockets in the nation where the numbers vary, but it's much easier to keep a crowd of kids occupied with a football, basketball, or soccer ball.

Kids just don't play baseball the way they used to.
 
cawacko said:
Game attendance isn't dropping off. Game prices have been rising as the league has grown in popularity. Millions upon millions of Americans watch football and play fantasy football. Millions upon millions don't attend NFL games.
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True. For most sports, there is no better seat than the one in your living room.
 
Football Jersey said:
The NFL took away replay in early 90s. If you ever wanted to know why they brought it back, here's the phantom touchdown:

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Over the decades, athletes have gotten faster, stronger, and much better at their given sport. Basketball moves so fast now, most of the travels/carries are missed by the refs. Same goes for football. We need replay for a lot of the important plays. It's about time baseball added it. Bang bang plays are being missed more and more by umpires who just 'assume' the play was made.
 
Althea said:
No. I'm not. Late in the season you bring in the casual viewers, and even women who suddenly have something of interest to tune in for.

Same as baseball.
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They're comparing today's numbers to the equivalent time in years past and this year's numbers are far lower. The comparison isn't beginning of the year vs end of the year
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
If that were true you'd see a corresponding drop in HS and college viewership. Is there? I don't know.

I think Kap has been a factor but the NFL down plays it. The NFL has been a conflicted paradox of toxic masculinity and slavish devotion to political correctness for some time now.
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The NFL is a company and when a company tells you to do something and you refuse to do it, then the company imposes discipline on you.

It's as simple as that. And it is why people are tuning the NFL out.
 
cawacko said:
They're comparing today's numbers to the equivalent time in years past and this year's numbers are far lower. The comparison isn't beginning of the year vs end of the year
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Could be a lot of things. Brady suspension. Manning retirement. Those two would have a lot to do with less interest for many viewers.

It's not Kaepernick, as much as you wish it was.
 
Althea said:
Could be a lot of things. Brady suspension. Manning retirement. Those two would have a lot to do with less interest for many viewers.

It's not Kaepernick, as much as you wish it was.
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I wish it was? Why do i wish that? Look at what was said in this thread. There are people turned off from the sport because of Kap's actions. That's a fact. I listed four/five reasons earlier for the decline. I didn't say one reason was more a reason than any other.
 
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