Lester Holt spins debate for Hillary

[anatta]

Always excuses. Try to admit the truth for once. Trump folded like a cheap lawnchair. He was unprepared. Unknowledgable. Inarticulate. And his contorted facial expressions were difficult to even watch.

Sure, that's the kind of President we want. One that doesn't even care to prepare. One of ill-temperment. One who is willfully ignorant. Great combo for a President.

I do not disagree. It was not pretty. But the questions also took the debate that way.
and this thread was about....? ( before the great derailers got to it)

 

[Althea]

believe me babe -I can handle anything you can dish out.
Most of it is schizophrenic blather -completely worthless off topic spam -or it's you frothing and cussing.

When you have something worthwhile to say, i'll respond. but you are going to be banned from my thread because you can't control
your speech.

Re. your OP....Trump was given the same exact soft ball topics that Hillary was. He chose to avoid the questions...because he has no real positions on anything. He could have just answered the questions, and there would be no need for follow ups.

Instead, he started the altercations immediately.

 

[Irish]

MSM mafia wins again. Questions about Trump's birther, which has ZERO bearing on this election. His taxes, and Iraq war support... Really LEster?

Where were the Benghazi questions? Emails? Hillarys Health???????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME HOLT???? The women passes out and has to be dragged away. Made headlines for like a week. And he doesn't ask one question. Guy is a hack.

 

[anatta]

Re. your OP....Trump was given the same exact soft ball topics that Hillary was. He chose to avoid the questions...because he has no real positions on anything. He could have just answered the questions, and there would be no need for follow ups.

Instead, he started the altercations immediately.

how do you figure "birthers" and tax returns to trump and nothing to Clinton about her Emails
are the same?

He brought up repatriation of foreign profits / NAFTA / TPP ( and Clinton's shape shifting on that).

Holt did not even bring up terrorism, or geo-politics.. and then you need to look at the follow ups.
I realize you are a die hard Democrat, but you are missing the obvious.

Thank you for addressing the OP.

 

[domer76]

I do not disagree. It was not pretty. But the questions also took the debate that way.
and this thread was about....? ( before the great derailers got to it)

This thread is about excuses.

 

[domer76]

MSM mafia wins again. Questions about Trump's birther, which has ZERO bearing on this election. His taxes, and Iraq war support... Really LEster?

Where were the Benghazi questions? Emails? Hillarys Health???????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME HOLT???? The women passes out and has to be dragged away. Made headlines for like a week. And he doesn't ask one question. Guy is a hack.

Who was the unhealthy one who lacked stamina last night? Snorting, sniffling, chugging down water like crazy. Clinton even did a post debate rally and looked even stronger.

 

[evince]

how do you figure "birthers" and tax returns to trump and nothing to Clinton about her Emails
are the same?

He brought up repatriation of foreign profits / NAFTA / TPP ( and Clinton's shape shifting on that).

Holt did not even bring up terrorism, or geo-politics.. and then you need to look at the follow ups.
I realize you are a die hard Democrat, but you are missing the obvious.

Thank you for addressing the OP.

dear fucking idiot


he started the debate by saying there are two more debates coming and not everything could be covered in this one

 

[Althea]

how do you figure "birthers" and tax returns to trump and nothing to Clinton about her Emails
are the same?

In case you forgot, Trump held a faux press conference last week to speak about the Birther issue. The topic was racial unrest in the country. Not the Birther issue. I believe Hillary addressed the Birther issue, and Trump stuttered and stammered his way through. Clinton's emails are a non issue.

He brought up repatriation of foreign profits / NAFTA / TPP ( and Clinton's shape shifting on that).

Repatriation of money is a proven sham. There's plenty of info on Bush's failed tax holiday.

NAFTA has been proven to have been inconsequential w/respect to jobs. She spoke highly about TPP as SoS, but has since changed her stance. You think that an educated politician should be stubborn?

Holt did not even bring up terrorism, or geo-politics.. and then you need to look at the follow ups.
I realize you are a die hard Democrat, but you are missing the obvious.

Thank you for addressing the OP.

There most certainly was a question re. natl. security. The fact that Trump has no position about that, isn't Holt's fault.

 

[Celticguy]

Yeah Holt was pulling for the home team but not as bad as most others. You could say he was handicapping to try and make it a fair fight. Didn't help.

 

[anatta]

In case you forgot, Trump held a faux press conference last week to speak about the Birther issue. The topic was racial unrest in the country. Not the Birther issue. I believe Hillary addressed the Birther issue, and Trump stuttered and stammered his way through.

" Mr. Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a false claim that the nation’s first black president was not a natural-born citizen. You questioned his legitimacy. In the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most Americans have accepted for years: The president was born in the United States. Can you tell us what took you so long?"

"I will let you respond. It’s important. But I just want to get the answer here. The birth certificate was produced in 2011. You’ve continued to tell the story and question the president’s legitimacy in 2012, ’13, ’14, ’15…"

Clinton's emails are a non issue.

for Democrats. Some of us care about her serial lies over the course of a year and a half . I fyou don't get how her minions cover for her -and she blames everyone else, including Powell - it's you miss.

Repatriation of money is a proven sham

you'd have to supply a reference - a few trillion dollars out there doesn't seem inconsequential

. She spoke highly about TPP as SoS, but has since changed her stance. You think that an educated politician should be stubborn?

she lied about "seeing the final document" changed her mind -
weren't you on DCJ #1 when we ALL were going after the TPP as a corporatists dream? The "final details" changed nothing about the structure of the TPP.
She's pandering and shape-shifting and you are choosing not to see the obvious. Bernie called her out on it -she was hemorraging and she shape shifted for no other reason then Bernie

NAFTA has been proven to have been inconsequential w/respect to jobs

it hasn't been inconsequential to trade.
Did you notice the 1 way VAT tax Mexico charges -but we do not? Jobs are more complex

There most certainly was a question re. natl. security. The fact that Trump has no position about that, isn't Holt's fault.

Iraq? which question.

you need to go back and look at the softballs he served up for Clinton

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Yeah, Trump constantly interrupted everyone and in general acted like an ass, but its all Hillary's fault.

Holt interrupted Trump so many times because Trump tells so many more lies than Hillary.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

what a bunch of worthless posts. TROLL gets banned from my threads from now on, and I forgot the cancerous Desh.
Even Domer's deflection carries more weight.
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I mentioned "whatever you think of the candidates", and there is plenty of criticism about Trump that applies.
But this was about the moderators ( birthers? taxes?) while the pass on terrorism. Even Putin was couched in cyber-security
instead of geo-politics

Even the Iraq debate was "you supported Iraq" - instead of asking Clinton why she seems to be in the middle of every war.
It was the absolute worst moderating I've seen. You might as well have had had the Washington Post in the chair

Trump lied and said he never supported Iraq, apparently the moderator was just supposed to let that pass. God, you want Trump treated with kid gloves, held to different standards than every other human being.

 

[anatta]

Trump lied and said he never supported Iraq, apparently the moderator was just supposed to let that pass. God, you want Trump treated with kid gloves, held to different standards than every other human being.

he marginally supported Iraq. He surely did not have the same access as Clinton did as a US Senator to intelligence.
She could read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq if she chose to do so. I doubt she bothered, while still voting

Compare that to Trump spit balling with Howard Stern on his radio show. You are ridiculously out of touch as usual.

Lester Holt emerges from debate bruised and partisan
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...holt-emerges-from-debate-bruised-and-partisan

 

[Althea]

" Mr. Trump, for five years, you perpetuated a false claim that the nation’s first black president was not a natural-born citizen. You questioned his legitimacy. In the last couple of weeks, you acknowledged what most Americans have accepted for years: The president was born in the United States. Can you tell us what took you so long?"

"I will let you respond. It’s important. But I just want to get the answer here. The birth certificate was produced in 2011. You’ve continued to tell the story and question the president’s legitimacy in 2012, ’13, ’14, ’15…"

Trump built the foundation of his campaign on his Birther fetish. He continued it right up to the day he held a fake press conference. The topic at the time was race. Trump lied his way through the first several exchanges, and ultimately Holt had to shut him up for the follow up you posted above.

I see absolutely no problem with calling Trump out on his bullshit. You don't just get to say 'never mind' after 5 years of overt, racist rhetoric re POTUS.

Here's a link to the complete debate, including fact checks. It gives you the info you request below re. TPP, etc

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/26/495115346/fact-check-first-presidential-debate

for Democrats. Some of us care about her serial lies over the course of a year and a half . I fyou don't get how her minions cover for her -and she blames everyone else, including Powell - it's you miss.
you'd have to supply a reference - a few trillion dollars out there doesn't seem inconsequential

Just Google 'Bush tax holiday'. No jobs were created. All money went to increased dividends, and stock buybacks. That's not even up for debate.

she lied about "seeing the final document" changed her mind -
weren't you on DCJ #1 when we ALL were going after the TPP as a corporatists dream? The "final details" changed nothing about the structure of the TPP.
She's pandering and shape-shifting and you are choosing not to see the obvious. Bernie called her out on it -she was hemorraging and she shape shifted for no other reason then Bernie

When she was SoS, TPP was still being negotiated. There was potential for it to be a gold standard, but it turned into a steaming pile of shit that Obama wanted to fast track.

Bernie dragged her to the left on that. Do I believe her? Not really. None of which matters, because NOTHING gets past Congress. No policy that either of them proposes, will see the light of day. Ever.

it hasn't been inconsequential to trade.
Did you notice the 1 way VAT tax Mexico charges -but we do not? Jobs are more complex

Iraq? which question.

you need to go back and look at the softballs he served up for Clinton

Read my link above. You aren't that young that you don't remember the atmosphere in this country in '03. We knew Iraq was bullshit. But the Rove/Cheney machine made anyone who spoke out against it 'unpatriotic'.

Congress voted to give Bush 60 days to make his case in Iraq. They voted again to continue the mess.

 

[NOVA]

Who was the unhealthy one who lacked stamina last night? Snorting, sniffling, chugging down water like crazy. Clinton even did a post debate rally and looked even stronger.

Wow...so snorting, sniffling, and drinking water shows lack of stamina.....

you are desperate ain't you.....

 

[Althea]

I do not disagree. It was not pretty. But the questions also took the debate that way.
and this thread was about....? ( before the great derailers got to it)

Did it ever occur to you that Trump made such a sham of the entire debate, they were way behind schedule? If Trump hadn't committed so many obvious intentional lies, perhaps the questions toward Hillary would have been more to the points you wish to hear?

Honestly, your Hillary fetish is clouding your judgement. Benghazi is a non issue. Libya is a mess, but Trump supported that campaign. So he can't really 'hit' her on that.


I've deleted thousands of emails too. I don't know what you're hoping to find, as there is a sender and a recipient of every email. If there was something to be found, it would have been found.

Having a private email acct. was NOT against the law.

I think it's time to move on. Don't worry, there will be debates where Hillary is the main focus, for the non issues you obsess over.

We'll see how she handles those debates.

I'm thinking it will be a cakewalk compared to an 11 hour bogus inquiry by Congress.

 

[Althea]

Wow...so snorting, sniffling, and drinking water shows lack of stamina.....

you are desperate ain't you.....

No. It shows ill health, and more importantly, it shows he doesn't have a 'presidential look'.

 

[anatta]

Did it ever occur to you that Trump made such a sham of the entire debate, they were way behind schedule? If Trump hadn't committed so many obvious intentional lies, perhaps the questions toward Hillary would have been more to the points you wish to hear?

Honestly, your Hillary fetish is clouding your judgement. Benghazi is a non issue. Libya is a mess, but Trump supported that campaign. So he can't really 'hit' her on that.


I've deleted thousands of emails too. I don't know what you're hoping to find, as there is a sender and a recipient of every email. If there was something to be found, it would have been found.

Having a private email acct. was NOT against the law.

I think it's time to move on. Don't worry, there will be debates where Hillary is the main focus, for the non issues you obsess over.

We'll see how she handles those debates.

I'm thinking it will be a cakewalk compared to an 11 hour bogus inquiry by Congress.

Using a private unauthorized server for classified info is also against the classification laws

Deleting GOVERNMENT work related Emails is a violation of the Federal Records act, since she was on her own private server.
She lied about that too. She lied right down the line regarding her Emails at every opportunity.
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as to Libya: Clinton had all the inside info, yet still decided to lie about the Viagra rape charges.

Clinton was also the chief international organizer, and US advocate to Obama (WH NSCouncil).
She further called for regime change, and backed making Qadaffi a military target.
"We came we saw he died" ( re Qadaffi)..
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Speaking of Libya, do you recall this? using her PDA's in unsecure environments despite being warned? (Mahogany Row,etc)

Former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton checks her PDA upon her departure in a military C-17 plane from Malta
bound for Tripoli, Libya, in this October 18, 2011

 

[Seahawk]

No. It shows ill health, and more importantly, it shows he doesn't have a 'presidential look'.

Fainting is much more presidential.

 

[anatta]

Trump built the foundation of his campaign on his Birther fetish. He continued it right up to the day he held a fake press conference. The topic at the time was race. Trump lied his way through the first several exchanges, and ultimately Holt had to shut him up for the follow up you posted above.

I see absolutely no problem with calling Trump out on his bullshit. You don't just get to say 'never mind' after 5 years of overt, racist rhetoric re POTUS.

I don't either. I do mind calling Trump on his birther bullshit, while ignoring Clinton on her Emails.It's biased moderation.
( and why nothing about terrorism? immigration? etc...I mean really birthers is WAY down the list of national concerns

Just Google 'Bush tax holiday'. No jobs were created. All money went to increased dividends, and stock buybacks. That's not even up for debate

I'm not sure we're talking the same thing. Repatriation means bring foreign profits back to US based conglomerates by reducing taxes

When she was SoS, TPP was still being negotiated. There was potential for it to be a gold standard, but it turned into a steaming pile of shit that Obama wanted to fast track.
Bernie dragged her to the left on that. Do I believe her? Not really. None of which matters, because NOTHING gets past Congress. No policy that either of them proposes, will see the light of day. Ever.

TPP was headed for fast tracking!! That means it takes a 2/3 Override to stop passage it'san international executive agreement
and if Congress were to bring it up ( at least before Bernie fer sure) it would pass. It might still pass now, but it's not going to the floor.

Clinton called it the "gold standard" and the sections were well understood before finalization.
Once again she shape-shifted, got away with it, and Holt just lets it pass
( and even her language there was more lies - she never said "hope it was the gold standard")

Read my link above. You aren't that young that you don't remember the atmosphere in this country in '03. We knew Iraq was bullshit. But the Rove/Cheney machine made anyone who spoke out against it 'unpatriotic'.

Of course I recall. Those stupid yellow ribbons stampeding us to war.
Clinton voted for the war, and she had much more info (National Intel Estimates)the Trump did with his offhand remarks to Howard Stern.
Clinton never met a war she didn't want in on ( including Bosnia/Libya/Syria)