Phoenix speech

tsuke said:
ive heard someone say that if we tax wire and bank transfers illegals would send their money to mexico via mules to avoid the 5 dollar fee which is lol.
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Yeah, they are stuck with mules on the other side and still manage to get around the US government. Here they have all the technology we have at their disposal.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
Yeah, they are stuck with mules on the other side and still manage to get around the US government. Here they have all the technology we have at their disposal.
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which would of course cost more than 5$ is uninsured so most of it will not reach the people it is meant too and take god knows how long. :P

there is a reason people use moneygram/westernunion and the banking system even with all the fees.

Mules. lol.
 
anatta said:
he's moderated his tone in much the same that Hillary recently did where instead of shouting she lowers her pitch.
The speech had 10 points -some aspirational, most generalized but not impractical. difficult, but doable.

Immigration hasn't been reformed in decade ( Trump mentioned) because it's hard to do -there are conflicting interests
of helping those who came here illegally ( or born here) in good faith live their lives - but weed out all criminals
and enforce existing law as much as possible
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He was very smart to avoid talking about any new laws

He was also smart to point out that there is a whole lot to do before we address the 11 million

Lefties heads will explode but it was a good well thought out speech
 
I Love America said:
He was very smart to avoid talking about any new laws

He was also smart to point out that there is a whole lot to do before we address the 11 million

Lefties heads will explode but it was a good well thought out speech
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you can actually tell how great it was by wht they choose to pick apart. The only thing they are talking about today is about how bad it was that trump did not enter into negotiations with the mexican government on behalf of the US about who pays for the wall lol.

I am glad that the wall is an accepted fact though and were only arguing about who pays for it. Thats a huge step up.
 
cawacko said:
The chances of this passing Congress is about none so it's not really an option.
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The USA gives over $200 million in aid year to Mexico, that would help pay for a wall. Also why can't a levy be imposed on all people passing through the border of say $10 per person?

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tsuke said:
you can actually tell how great it was by wht they choose to pick apart. The only thing they are talking about today is about how bad it was that trump did not enter into negotiations with the mexican government on behalf of the US about who pays for the wall lol.

I am glad that the wall is an accepted fact though and were only arguing about who pays for it. Thats a huge step up.
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And had he entered into negotiations on behalf of the US he would have been out of line.

The barking heads on PMSNBC are grinding their teeth and wringing their hands over how Crooked ILLary is dropping in the polls..

My guess is that we will start hearing from the lefties that "this is a natural tightening" and "Nate Silver says........."

JPP lefties just bring themselves to admit they have a seriously flawed candidate.

One thing I have noticed this election cycle is that I do not see a lot of Hillary bumper stickers or signs. During the primary I saw tons of Bernie's.

I want a right wing Supreme Court. I want Roe v Wade overturned

VOTE TRUMP
 
cawacko said:
If we're going to elect a Democrat to represent our party might as well have Congress do the same and pass a massive tax increase right?
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so your goals include both getting Hillary elected AND giving control of Congress to the Democrats?.......you've really gone gung ho for your new party.......
 
Milagro said:
The USA gives over $200 million in aid year to Mexico, that would help pay for a wall. Also why can't a levy be imposed on all people passing through the border of say $10 per person?

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the coyotes charge a lot more than that to pass through the border......
 
I Love America said:
And had he entered into negotiations on behalf of the US he would have been out of line.

The barking heads on PMSNBC are grinding their teeth and wringing their hands over how Crooked ILLary is dropping in the polls..

My guess is that we will start hearing from the lefties that "this is a natural tightening" and "Nate Silver says........."

JPP lefties just bring themselves to admit they have a seriously flawed candidate.

One thing I have noticed this election cycle is that I do not see a lot of Hillary bumper stickers or signs. During the primary I saw tons of Bernie's.

I want a right wing Supreme Court. I want Roe v Wade overturned

VOTE TRUMP
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That will never happen, nor should it.
 
That speech was textbook demagoguery.

Ratchet up the fear. Exaggerate. Scapegoat. Lie.

Trump is a scary candidate. It's a little strange that there are some who don't see through him. I understand voting against Hillary; I don't understand actual enthusiasm for a clear con man & demagogue.
 
Thing1 said:
That speech was textbook demagoguery.

Ratchet up the fear. Exaggerate. Scapegoat. Lie.

Trump is a scary candidate. It's a little strange that there are some who don't see through him. I understand voting against Hillary; I don't understand actual enthusiasm for a clear con man & demagogue.
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what i dont understand is how you can be for raising wages but also for allowing illegals which dont have to be paid minimum wage. If you believe some jobs cant be paid minimum wage then the minimum wage is too high right? According to your logic :)
 
Thing1 said:
That speech was textbook demagoguery.

Ratchet up the fear. Exaggerate. Scapegoat. Lie.

Trump is a scary candidate. It's a little strange that there are some who don't see through him. I understand voting against Hillary; I don't understand actual enthusiasm for a clear con man & demagogue.
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Yet you say this after 8 years of lying and demagoguery.

What was Obamacare but a con on the American voters? Do we need a Jonathan Gruber thread to refresh some memories?
 
Milagro said:
The USA gives over $200 million in aid year to Mexico, that would help pay for a wall. Also why can't a levy be imposed on all people passing through the border of say $10 per person?

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Like another poster said, "nice to know even Mexico accepts the fact of a wall".

There are certainly challenges to building a wall that is not only functional, but as aesthetic as possible. Then there's the Rio Grande.


Paying for the wall is a walk in the park.
 
tsuke said:
what i dont understand is how you can be for raising wages but also for allowing illegals which dont have to be paid minimum wage. If you believe some jobs cant be paid minimum wage then the minimum wage is too high right? According to your logic :)
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Where did I present that logic?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Yet you say this after 8 years of lying and demagoguery.

What was Obamacare but a con on the American voters? Do we need a Jonathan Gruber thread to refresh some memories?
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Obamacare - an act which I didn't support, btw - was a fulfillment of a promise to voters. Obama never made any bones about what he was going to do in the campaign, and it was hardly fearmongering. If you want to parse & suggest that it was, or that there were elements of it, it was still nothing compared to the scale of last night's fear & xenophobia-fest.
 
Thing1 said:
Obamacare - an act which I didn't support, btw - was a fulfillment of a promise to voters. Obama never made any bones about what he was going to do in the campaign, and it was hardly fearmongering. If you want to parse & suggest that it was, or that there were elements of it, it was still nothing compared to the scale of last night's fear & xenophobia-fest.
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Yes, because his saying there are wonderful people who are not Americans, but that he was going to concern himself with American interests first was so fearmongering. Your problem is obviously with your own liberal filters and bad interpretation.
 
Thing1 said:
Obamacare - an act which I didn't support, btw - was a fulfillment of a promise to voters. Obama never made any bones about what he was going to do in the campaign, and it was hardly fearmongering. If you want to parse & suggest that it was, or that there were elements of it, it was still nothing compared to the scale of last night's fear & xenophobia-fest.
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Just for giggles, is it possible to advocate for secure borders without being xenophobic?
 
Milagro said:
The USA gives over $200 million in aid year to Mexico, that would help pay for a wall. Also why can't a levy be imposed on all people passing through the border of say $10 per person?

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A wall is going to cost over $10 billion. $200 million in aid money isn't going to make a dent.
 
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