20 years after welfare reform

Bill said:
In Japan I know they do lots of schooling & from very early on.. My grandson is 3 1/2 & has been in Japanese school for 6 months..

How does the funding & allocation work??
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Hopefully he won't develop any suicidal ideas, during his teen years.
 
Bill said:
Oddly enough, or not, the more educated seem to shy away from the party of bush's, niXon & that other guy that isn't a crook........:dunno:
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So educated people like crooked Hillary and Crooked Obama more? They thrive on incompetence?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh Jesus God Wacko. How many charter schools have to fail and produce poorer results before you will recognize that they are a drain on public education resources. Freaken like 75% of them have failed in Ohio and Ohio isn't exactly Mississippi when it comes to education.
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That isn't the case anywhere. And if they are failing its because they don't get enough funding in some states. If you move to a voucher system and let schools compete for students, you would see a marked increase in education and better financial management.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
give me something besides tired liberal lies and memes to comment on, then....
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I'm pro-gun rights. I've said with education both parties need to put aside their isms and create a real plan without partisan preconditions, including I support vouchers. I also support real immigration reform, which includes not only clarifying the status of immigrants who are here but stopping more from freely coming in.

Interesting you concluded I hadn't posted anything in what was at that time 95 posts ... which it turns out you hadn't read ... So you just see the word progressive, assume all my positions and conclude you're smarter than me without reading any of my posts? You may want to question that assumption, but then I'm only going on the your posts that I actually read
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sure....the party of no schools of choice, the party of no charter schools.....given that school funding has grown more than any other area of government over the last twenty years, can you identify what it is the Republicans have said "no" to.......if you could do that it would help give your claim some substance.......
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Vouchers are not going to solve education by themselves, but I have said I'm for them as part of an overall, bipartisan plan. Education is too important, both parties need to leave their isms at the door and create a real, national plan. The solution to improving every other issue starts with education.

Democrats need to do better, but Republicans are doing nothing
 
Zake said:
I'm pro-gun rights. I've said with education both parties need to put aside their isms and create a real plan without partisan preconditions, including I support vouchers. I also support real immigration reform, which includes not only clarifying the status of immigrants who are here but stopping more from freely coming in.

Interesting you concluded I hadn't posted anything in what was at that time 95 posts ... which it turns out you hadn't read ... So you just see the word progressive, assume all my positions and conclude you're smarter than me without reading any of my posts? You may want to question that assumption, but then I'm only going on the your posts that I actually read
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perhaps I hadn't read all 95......I saw nothing in what I DID read.......
 
Zake said:
but Republicans are doing nothing
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back to the liberal memes......perhaps after years of a Reed controlled Senate which wouldn't address anything the House passed, followed by more years of a president that vowed to veto anything the Republicans passed one might conclude Republicans had done nothing........however, only a fool would think its the Republican's fault instead of the Dems........
 
I'm for them as part of an overall, bipartisan plan
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so what else are you looking for in this overall bipartisan plan......even more wasteful spending?.....and do you expect Hillary will bring about this sudden bi-partisanship?......

the best chance of an end to gridlock at this point is a Trump presidency......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
back to the liberal memes......perhaps after years of a Reed controlled Senate which wouldn't address anything the House passed, followed by more years of a president that vowed to veto anything the Republicans passed one might conclude Republicans had done nothing........however, only a fool would think its the Republican's fault instead of the Dems........
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Again ... I've said both sides need to put their isms at the door and create a real plan. But seriously, you're saying Democrats aren't at least trying to address education? I saw a post from you yesterday I didn't have a chance to respond to and I didn't see it going through threads now, but you said something about we are spending more money.

The problem is not just total money, but how it's being distributed. Rich school areas have plenty of money. Poor schools are strapped. It keeps the poor poor. If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know I don't think we're going to fix the problem overnight. My proposal is if we give poor kids in schools a path, a small percentage of them will make it. But if we keep building on that path, over years it compounds to where you really do start reducing poverty. Kids in those areas don't believe they have a future. Better teachers who are compensated reasonably help accomplish that. The kids with motivated parents have the best shot. Vouchers are a way for those parents to self identify. I was a good student gradewise in high school, A's and B's. But I mailed it in a lot on ability. I didn't get serious until I was in college. If I'd been a poor kid, I've had mentally checked out by then and never accomplished everything I ultimately did.

Whether or not we have improved, we are rated in the 30s with results while spending the most money. Maybe there has been some positive, but it's sure not enough
 
Zake said:
Again ... I've said both sides need to put their isms at the door and create a real plan. But seriously, you're saying Democrats aren't at least trying to address education? I saw a post from you yesterday I didn't have a chance to respond to and I didn't see it going through threads now, but you said something about we are spending more money.

The problem is not just total money, but how it's being distributed. Rich school areas have plenty of money. Poor schools are strapped. It keeps the poor poor. If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know I don't think we're going to fix the problem overnight. My proposal is if we give poor kids in schools a path, a small percentage of them will make it. But if we keep building on that path, over years it compounds to where you really do start reducing poverty. Kids in those areas don't believe they have a future. Better teachers who are compensated reasonably help accomplish that. The kids with motivated parents have the best shot. Vouchers are a way for those parents to self identify. I was a good student gradewise in high school, A's and B's. But I mailed it in a lot on ability. I didn't get serious until I was in college. If I'd been a poor kid, I've had mentally checked out by then and never accomplished everything I ultimately did.

Whether or not we have improved, we are rated in the 30s with results while spending the most money. Maybe there has been some positive, but it's sure not enough
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I know one very good way to instantly improve our nations educational outcomes.

Let the South secede. ;)
 
Zake said:
A But seriously, you're saying Democrats aren't at least trying to address education?
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I have asked several times what you think they are doing to "address" education.....you say poor schools are strapped.....I'm sorry, but there is simply no truth to that......as I pointed out in example, the schools of Detroit, Buffalo,NY and Washington DC rank among the worst schools in the nation........they also have the highest per student expenditures.....

so tell me, what have the Dems done to address education in the last eight years?......
 
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