The world has never been safer....

PostmodernProphet said:
I remember Obama saying in 2011 how wonderful things were in Iraq.......no mention at all of a vacuum.......of course when the leader in Egypt gets taken out.....and the leaders in Libya and Yemen get taken out......and then there is Syria......sure, Bush caused all those things to happen in Obama's administration.......his state department wasn't involved at all........
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Bush has created no end of problems in the Middle East...all while spending his retirement clearing brush on his TX ranch lol!
 
Bill said:
What is it he is fiddling w/??

What is it you would want him to do??

What, if anything are you willing to do??
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He and the DNC are out talking about college tuition, HC, global warming, and completing ignoring the fact that the world is on fire and ISIS is killing damn near 100 people a day or more.

the DNC convention didn't even mention ISIS the first few days. They are out of touch with reality.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You've got the partisan thing really bad.

Bush was out of office when the power vacuum occurred. Iraq was relatively stable when Obama took over. Those are two facts.

If you want to make it about Bush, Bush spelled out what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq:

“To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States" [Bush: 2007]

So there's actually two people at fault for the power vacuum: Bush, for creating the potential for one in invading Iraq: and Obama, for failing to keep Iraq secure. Obama is the one who actuated the potential initiated by Bush.

Put simply: the vacuum occurred under his [and Sec Clinton's] watch. Fact #3

Along comes ISIS: they nearly literally come waltzing out of Syria in their little Mazda trucks outfitted with artillery and began to take over Iraq.

And Obama does what he does best. He minimized the threat and called ISIS 'JV'. A gross miscalculation, which led to an ensuing genocide of various tribal groups, including Christians and Kurds: there was and continues to be massive blood letting, decapitations, crucifixions and probably things we'd rather not imagine going on in the, once stable, Iraq.

To make matters even worse, ISIS has become a sort of global terrorist beacon which every sort of malcontent swarms to like moths to a candle. Since ISIS isn't not only represents a caliphate but an ideology, we have an unknown number of sympathizers here in the US.

The FBI snagged one yesterday in NC. He wanted to start his own ISIS cell.

The bad news is we'll never catch them all. To lay all that at the feet of Bush is sheer partisan hackery.
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ISIS should have been a footnote in history. But Obama thought he was the "war ender" and actually thought we could pull troops out of the ME and have peace. He was wofully ignorant of the facts and wofeully unprepared for how reality works.

After years of lambasting the Iraq war, liberals became dillusional. They believed WE WERE the bad people and the problem. As time has shown, the middle east, Islam, and tribalism is the problem. The the US. If we do nothing we get ISIS. If we do too much, we cause instability. We have to walk a tightrope.

I don't understand why France hasn't declared war on ISIS and sent in their armies, air and navy. What do they do? A handful a bombing runs a month?

If 300 of your people die to ISIS wouldn't you declare all out war? Hollande is yet another pacifist socialist. They can't be allowed to lead. Bernie would have been the same.
 
Thing1 said:
What did I say that is wrong?

Or does it make you feel silly to obsess over something that's as likely as getting killed by furniture?
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I'll mention that to the friends and relatives of the San Bernardino victims and the Boston Marathon victims and the Miami nightclub victims......thanks


In the past year 31 suspected ISIS terrorists have been arrested by American law enforcement, and three attacks have taken the lives of 63 people and wounded an additional 81 civilians.

The suspected terrorists have been arrested for crimes ranging from planing to travel overseas to join ISIS fighters to soliciting the killing of American soldiers. Those arrested range from a 15 year old too young to be named to a former Army National Guardsman.

The arrests almost all share one thing in common: the involvement of a FBI confidential informant. For example, former National Guard member Mohamed Bailor Jalloh, 26, was in contact with a confidential informant for months prior to his July arrest. Jalloh praised the perpetrator of the Chattanooga, TN attack to the informant and sought to carry out his own.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/06/3...ed-in-the-u-s-in-the-past-year/#ixzz4GfoDzns1
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Bush has created no end of problems in the Middle East...all while spending his retirement clearing brush on his TX ranch lol!
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It was sad & stupid.. The common wisdom was these tyrants were useful idiots, they served a purpose & removing them would leave a vacuum that would be filled by radical religious fanatics & that is exactly what happened... Hell, we are still sitting on the grave yard of empires & it is as bad, if not worse than when we got there..

Year after year of bumper opium crops
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& the kids back home
Heroin-Abuse-Drug-Addict.jpg
 
Bill said:
It was sad & stupid.. The common wisdom was these tyrants were useful idiots, they served a purpose & removing them would leave a vacuum that would be filled by radical religious fanatics & that is exactly what happened... Hell, we are still sitting on the grave yard of empires & it is as bad, if not worse than when we got there..

Year after year of bumper opium crops
Afgan-boy-Opium-ha_1396923i.jpg


& the kids back home
Heroin-Abuse-Drug-Addict.jpg
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yet how dirt poor Afghanistan would be without opium sales. Most of the money goes to warlords/Taliban -but its' still a cash crop.

"Nation-build that" ?
 
Irish said:
He and the DNC are out talking about college tuition, HC, global warming, and completing ignoring the fact that the world is on fire and ISIS is killing damn near 100 people a day or more.

the DNC convention didn't even mention ISIS the first few days. They are out of touch with reality.
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SO had they changed the schedule & ranted off about it on day one something would change?? Be different??

IMHO whoever is elected it is going to get worse over there.. Unfortunately a lot more innocent ppl will be killed..

I don't know how many ppl are killed daily under their control, my guess is they don't know nor care either..

What do you think they should have proposed to deal w/ daesh??
 
Irish said:
ISIS should have been a footnote in history. But Obama thought he was the "war ender" and actually thought we could pull troops out of the ME and have peace. He was wofully ignorant of the facts and wofeully unprepared for how reality works.

After years of lambasting the Iraq war, liberals became dillusional. They believed WE WERE the bad people and the problem. As time has shown, the middle east, Islam, and tribalism is the problem. The the US. If we do nothing we get ISIS. If we do too much, we cause instability. We have to walk a tightrope.

I don't understand why France hasn't declared war on ISIS and sent in their armies, air and navy. What do they do? A handful a bombing runs a month?

If 300 of your people die to ISIS wouldn't you declare all out war? Hollande is yet another pacifist socialist. They can't be allowed to lead. Bernie would have been the same.
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I can't recall all the details but didn't obama merely follow the time table set by bush?? If they broke the agreement Americans would be subject to Iraqi laws was another issue..

How long should our occupying forces stay when we are not wanted?? Forever?? & then there is that budget problem:palm:

You blame the western countries not doing enough:mad: What about the freaking Turks & arabs??

AMericans died liberating kuwait & they donate 10 mill to the campaign?? The price of "a tank"?? saudi Arabia?? They are to busy killing Shia in Yemen to be concerned about daesh.. THey have a lot more @ stake than we do & yet who is caring the heavy load?? It aint the gulf states & many of the ppl there are suspected of even helping daesh..
 
Bill said:
I can't recall all the details but didn't obama merely follow the time table set by bush?? If they broke the agreement Americans would be subject to Iraqi laws was another issue..

How long should our occupying forces stay when we are not wanted?? Forever?? & then there is that budget problem:palm:

You blame the western countries not doing enough:mad: What about the freaking Turks & arabs??

AMericans died liberating kuwait & they donate 10 mill to the campaign?? The price of "a tank"?? saudi Arabia?? They are to busy killing Shia in Yemen to be concerned about daesh.. THey have a lot more @ stake than we do & yet who is caring the heavy load?? It aint the gulf states & many of the ppl there are suspected of even helping daesh..
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it's like Afghanistan in that when we leave it will all go to hell. we keep propping up that gov't -Obama keeps setting timetables
and we are unable to leave- because if we do 15 years+ of nationbuilding comes tumbling down. we truly have a tiger by the tail.

Yes the Iraq SOFA was difficult to extend it would have to have gone into negotiations with al-Sadr -
who is an Iranian puppet who didn't want us to stay. It may or may not have been successful, but US politics demanded we get out
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SA is busy trying to destroy Yemen by air campaign -but to be fair they will never use their armed forces as expeditionary -
they won't even go into Yemen -so getting them into Syria/Iraq is impossible without that 'Sunni Coalition" -
proposed by el Sisi/SA

Saudi Arabia has announced the formation of a coalition of 34 largely Muslim nations to fight terrorism.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/middleeast/islamic-coalition-isis-saudi-arabia/


The sad part of it all is that only Iran -greatly strengthened under Obama - is willing to tromp all over the ME -
for their own hegemony
 
anatta said:
it's like Afghanistan in that when we leave it will all go to hell. we keep propping up that gov't -Obama keeps setting timetables
and we are unable to leave- because if we do 15 years+ of nationbuilding comes tumbling down. we truly have a tiger by the tail.

Yes the Iraq SOFA was difficult to extend it would have to have gone into negotiations with al-Sadr -
who is an Iranian puppet who didn't want us to stay. It may or may not have been successful, but US politics demanded we get out
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SA is busy trying to destroy Yemen by air campaign -but to be fair they will never use their armed forces as expeditionary -
they won't even go into Yemen -so getting them into Syria/Iraq is impossible without that 'Sunni Coalition" -
proposed by el Sisi/SA

Saudi Arabia has announced the formation of a coalition of 34 largely Muslim nations to fight terrorism.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/middleeast/islamic-coalition-isis-saudi-arabia/


The sad part of it all is that only Iran -greatly strengthened under Obama - is willing to tromp all over the ME -
for their own hegemony
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Well if we pull out of the ME sa won't have to send anyone anywhere, the daesh will delver to sa..

That is nice of them, kinda corresponds to the investigation to their links to terror.......

Iran is going to cut out a sphere of influence if we like it or not.. Why stop them?? They will do a very good job w/ daesh, aq etc..

Israel & suadi Arabia can deal w/ it, just like they did when the shah was there..

Not to get all historical here, but you know they say the Romans conquered to known world, but they never conquered Persia, in fact Persia kicked their ass out of that very area, just sayin!!
 
Thing1 said:
I end up just feeling sorry for you.

I swear - that's the truth.
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sure you ought to feel sorry for me......
we're leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self reliant Iraq with a representative government that was elected by its people. We're building a new partnership between our nations and we are ending a war not with a final battle but with a final march toward home. This is an extraordinary achievement," Obama said.
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