Dems hit 1st night out of the park

Mott the Hoople said:
Time will tell but it was a shot across the bow for the Democratic party and I think they are aware that if they don't listen they could end up in the same predicament that the GOP is currently in.

That's where the GOP establishment is fooling itself. The Trump nomination means irrevocable change for the GOP establishment and the party in general. The GOP seems to be transitioning to a working class populist party. For years now the Plutocracy has made a coalition with socially conservative working class people. Now it appears those plutocrats suddenly have a tiger by the tail. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Click to expand...

I have to say I disagree, I know you guys are tired of my disagreeing with you, but I can't not say it.

The democratic base has a bulwark against tea party like movements. NO one can win the democratic primary without the minority vote, and especially without the black vote. This is why Bernie didn't win.

Now, I do believe the party has moved to the left, but that happened without Bernie. Bernie capitalized on that IMO, he did not cause it. I often even wonder if Warren feels her work was appropriated by him. And let's put aside wall street for a minute, where exactly did the party move left? I believe that AA's are a big part of that move. They moved the party to the left on criminal justice, on drug sentencing, on racial disparities in sentencing.

I just disagree with anyone who believes the future of the Democratic party is with white people. I'm sorry, it's not. This doesn't mean white people aren't important, in fact, single white women are actually a big part of the Obama coalition, but the future of the party isn't white. I personally feel this feel the bern thing was our own last gasp of angry white men. Sure there were some women, there are some on the angry right too! But it's mainly the last gasp of white male hegemony. White men don't elect our nominees anymore, they don't. They never will again.
 
I love how the lefties are running with this Russia story as if it negates the substance of the emails. Even if Russia did jack it proves a) the democrat party is dirty and b) they don't know how to secure their shit

I guess it is news to the democrat party that people try to hack computers.
 
Darla said:
Well I feel a bit resentful of this. I'm a Hillary voter, like millions of other primary voters. I don't want her pursuing Bernie's issues, if I did, I would have voted for him. He's way too left for me. I am pro fair trade, I am not for free college (except for community college or trade school), etc. I at one time would have supported his health care plan, but I now view it as unrealistic. I mean there is a lot of stuff. Why do I have to be erased? I don't want to be erased.

It's fine he should campaign for her, that's fine. It will help him build his own political capital if he does so successfully. But I tire of the "he moved her to the left" meme. I was there in the 90's when she was a dangerous radical lefty who had to be stopped. Sure she moved right in the intervening years, but her liberal positions IMO are hers and she comes by them honestly. And don't forget she moved him to the left on guns.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately that's not how politics works Darla. It's about coalition building and whether you like it or not or are a Clinton supporter or not Bernie built a substantial coalition. A coalition that can help her win but to have support of that coalition she will need to compromise and support them in some manner, if she wants their vote.

One of the stupidest things you can do in politics is to be a purist and to slap the hand of an opponent in which you can make common cause.

Bernie is to the left of where I am on economics. On everything else I find him to be spot on. Particularly on foreign policy which is a Presidents most important job. I ended up supporting Bernie though because of character. Bernie may be a grouchy old prick but he was one of the few that stood up and denounced the Iraq war, which Clinton supported and is why I have a real, real, real hard time supporting her (or anyone else who was in office that voted for the immoral Iraq War.). It showed that political expediency was more important than doing the right thing. Ergo I don't trust her. I don't distrust her as badly as I do Trump but there you are.

So though I know you're a Clinton supporter you might want to deal with the fact that she's a weak candidate and needs all the help she can get. It's just fortunate for her that her opponent is a neophyte and an ass clown. Against a strong opponent Hillary is eminently beatable.
 
Can any leftie tell me why Putin would be worried about a Crooked Hillary presidency? When did she ever stand up to him? Remember the famous "reset button"? Now all of a sudden Crooked Hillary and the Darlaks are Cold Warrior neocons looking for Russkies everywhere.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Unfortunately that's not how politics works Darla. It's about coalition building and whether you like it or not or are a Clinton supporter or not Bernie built a substantial coalition. A coalition that can help her win but to have support of that coalition she will need to compromise and support them in some manner, if she wants their vote.

One of the stupidest things you can do in politics is to be a purist and to slap the hand of an opponent in which you can make common cause.

Bernie is to the left of where I am on economics. On everything else I find him to be spot on. Particularly on foreign policy which is a Presidents most important job. I ended up supporting Bernie though because of character. Bernie may be a grouchy old prick but he was one of the few that stood up and denounced the Iraq war, which Clinton supported and is why I have a real, real, real hard time supporting her (or anyone else who was in office that voted for the immoral Iraq War.). It showed that political expediency was more important than doing the right thing. Ergo I don't trust her. I don't distrust her as badly as I do Trump but there you are.

So though I know you're a Clinton supporter you might want to deal with the fact that she's a weak candidate and needs all the help she can get. It's just fortunate for her that her opponent is a neophyte and an ass clown. Against a strong opponent Hillary is eminently beatable.
Click to expand...

I have no problem building a coalition with the 90% of Bernie voters who are now voting for Hillary.

I will never make an asshat out of myself by groveling and begging for the Sarandon's of this world to join me. That's just stupid.

Nor will I give sole credit for Hillary's platform to a man. I reject the male idea that I have to do that in order to be in a coalition. I know Hillary for a long time. She's a liberal.
 
Darla said:
I have to say I disagree, I know you guys are tired of my disagreeing with you, but I can't not say it.

The democratic base has a bulwark against tea party like movements. NO one can win the democratic primary without the minority vote, and especially without the black vote. This is why Bernie didn't win.

Now, I do believe the party has moved to the left, but that happened without Bernie. Bernie capitalized on that IMO, he did not cause it. I often even wonder if Warren feels her work was appropriated by him. And let's put aside wall street for a minute, where exactly did the party move left? I believe that AA's are a big part of that move. They moved the party to the left on criminal justice, on drug sentencing, on racial disparities in sentencing.

I just disagree with anyone who believes the future of the Democratic party is with white people. I'm sorry, it's not. This doesn't mean white people aren't important, in fact, single white women are actually a big part of the Obama coalition, but the future of the party isn't white. I personally feel this feel the bern thing was our own last gasp of angry white men. Sure there were some women, there are some on the angry right too! But it's mainly the last gasp of white male hegemony. White men don't elect our nominees anymore, they don't. They never will again.
Click to expand...

I don't disagree w/ a lot of this, but I think you're minimizing Bernie's impact a bit.

Hillary would have been a more centrist candidate without him in the race, and the platform would be more centrist. Bernie's ideas might not be new, but he articulated them well, and relentlessly. And a lot of people who are involved w/ politics for the 1st time in their lives were inspired by the way he positioned those ideas, and the determined nature with which he did it.

I don't think it's a white thing, at all. And I'm glad there was a voice out there hammering away at the gap between rich & poor, and the corporate influence over Washington, and the morality of saddling a whole generation with crushing college debt. And (as I think you know), I'm more center than you are, so Bernie was WAY out left for me. I mean, if he was able to implement the policies he spoke of unfettered, he'd add trillions to the debt.

But maybe people are making too much of his impact. I really don't know; I was annoyed by his supporters at times, but like I said, I also loved their passion.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't disagree w/ a lot of this, but I think you're minimizing Bernie's impact a bit.

Hillary would have been a more centrist candidate without him in the race, and the platform would be more centrist. Bernie's ideas might not be new, but he articulated them well, and relentlessly. And a lot of people who are involved w/ politics for the 1st time in their lives were inspired by the way he positioned those ideas, and the determined nature with which he did it.

I don't think it's a white thing, at all. And I'm glad there was a voice out there hammering away at the gap between rich & poor, and the corporate influence over Washington, and the morality of saddling a whole generation with crushing college debt. And (as I think you know), I'm more center than you are, so Bernie was WAY out left for me. I mean, if he was able to implement the policies he spoke of unfettered, he'd add trillions to the debt.

But maybe people are making too much of his impact. I really don't know; I was annoyed by his supporters at times, but like I said, I also loved their passion.
Click to expand...

Maybe I do give him less credit than he deserves, but if so it's in response to the over the top credit, the sole credit really, that has been basked upon him by a fawning media and Hillary haters.

Also I do know some of his supporters very personally, and that plays into my feelings on this. Very much so, but I can't get into details on the board. Suffice to say none of the ones I know are millennials, none are women, and all are arrogant purist asshats.
 
Darla said:
I have to say I disagree, I know you guys are tired of my disagreeing with you, but I can't not say it.

The democratic base has a bulwark against tea party like movements. NO one can win the democratic primary without the minority vote, and especially without the black vote. This is why Bernie didn't win.

Now, I do believe the party has moved to the left, but that happened without Bernie. Bernie capitalized on that IMO, he did not cause it. I often even wonder if Warren feels her work was appropriated by him. And let's put aside wall street for a minute, where exactly did the party move left? I believe that AA's are a big part of that move. They moved the party to the left on criminal justice, on drug sentencing, on racial disparities in sentencing.

I just disagree with anyone who believes the future of the Democratic party is with white people. I'm sorry, it's not. This doesn't mean white people aren't important, in fact, single white women are actually a big part of the Obama coalition, but the future of the party isn't white. I personally feel this feel the bern thing was our own last gasp of angry white men. Sure there were some women, there are some on the angry right too! But it's mainly the last gasp of white male hegemony. White men don't elect our nominees anymore, they don't. They never will again.
Click to expand...

Is that why Democrats keeps the blacks on the plantation?
 
Darla said:
Well a little history lesson - in 1992 Jerry Brown refused to endorse Bill Clinton and his dead enders booed at the convention too. Don't forget the Democratic party has always had its crackpots, the Sarandon contingent who would rather vote for Hugo Chavez (and I am dead serious and there are pics to prove it) than nearly any Democrat. I do believe they are mentally ill, but they are also extremely privileged, they are white, nearly every single one of them is white, able bodied, and so inoculated from the worst of a Trump presidency.

And here is the thing okay? They never vote Democrat. The idea that these 3rd party fanatics that Bernie brought into our tent and allowed to piss inside of it instead of pissing in from outside of it, are going to affect the outcome is ludicrous because none of them ever voted Dem in the first place. Why should Susan Sarandon be at the Democratic convention? She's not a democrat, when has she ever voted Democrat? She won't vote for Hillary, she didn't vote for Obama, she didn't vote for Gore. What is her ass doing inside my tent? See that is what I would like to know.

The lauded Millennials will vote for Hillary. The dead enders are the old Chavez crew for the most part. Sure they'll pick up a few newbies, but that won't make a difference. 90 percent of Bernie voters are already telling pollsters they will vote for Hillary. That's the story. But it's not one you'll hear much about.
Click to expand...
Well they sure as hell won't vote Democrat given your powers of persuasion. If Bernie does indeed bring these progressives into the Dem camp than that is hardly insignificant. If that had happened in 2000 we would not have suffered the catastrophe that was the Bush administration.
 
Darla said:
Maybe I do give him less credit than he deserves, but if so it's in response to the over the top credit, the sole credit really, that has been basked upon him by a fawning media and Hillary haters.

Also I do know some of his supporters very personally, and that plays into my feelings on this. Very much so, but I can't get into details on the board. Suffice to say none of the ones I know are millennials, none are women, and all are arrogant purist asshats.
Click to expand...

Understood. The only ones I know are pretty cool, just young enviro-idealists who believe they can change the world (and I feel bad for anyone who didn't have a stage like that at some point).

But I've met the variety you speak of, and I think there are some of those at the convention for sure. They're the ones Sarah Silverman was speaking to. Just annoying.
 
Just the last thing I'll say on this thread is that Hillary was never the radical Angela Davis leftist the right wing and the sexist media made her out to be in the 90's. She was never the right wing Bush clone the left wing and the sexist media made her out to be during the 2000's.

She is more honest than most politicians, and studies show this, this is factual, but she lies sometimes. She is not a monster. She is not perfect. She is not a murderer. She is not a traitor. She does care about children and really has worked on their behalf her entire life. She is the strongest champion for women we will have ever had in the white house. She will make mistakes. Most of them like her server will be made during an over defensive effort to protect herself from Judicial Watch, the right wing, and the sexist media. Some will be self serving, most won't.

I proudly support her and my dearest wish is that she wins. If she doesn't, I will not be broken, I will simply regroup and support Booker in 2020 because I believe he would be our nominee and make Trump a one term president. Whatever damage Trump does via the supreme court, or his relationship with Putin, will be irreversible. But you go on from there.

Still, my money says the Obama coalition will hold the line. We will find out in November.
 
Thing1 said:
Understood. The only ones I know are pretty cool, just young enviro-idealists who believe they can change the world (and I feel bad for anyone who didn't have a stage like that at some point).

But I've met the variety you speak of, and I think there are some of those at the convention for sure. They're the ones Sarah Silverman was speaking to. Just annoying.
Click to expand...

I really don't mind the young ones at all.
 
I love reading the lies democrats tell themselves. And Darla believes it every time her Mandingo lovers tell her they won't cum in her mouth
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Well they sure as hell won't vote Democrat given your powers of persuasion. If Bernie does indeed bring these progressives into the Dem camp than that is hardly insignificant. If that had happened in 2000 we would not have suffered the catastrophe that was the Bush administration.
Click to expand...

You don't know these people. They aren't voting Democrat. I guess the one thing my years among them, among them Mott, I slept with them, I partied with them, I protested with them, I spent weeks away with them, I reported on them, I wrote about them...has given me is this. You can talk down to me and say what you want, but I know them. You don't. They aren't voting Democrat. They never have.

They never will.
 
Darla said:
You don't know these people. They aren't voting Democrat. I guess the one thing my years among them, among them Mott, I slept with them, I partied with them, I protested with them, I spent weeks away with them, I reported on them, I wrote about them...has given me is this. You can talk down to me and say what you want, but I know them. You don't. They aren't voting Democrat. They never have.

They never will.
Click to expand...

If they vote for Hillary, they aren't voting Democrat?

You slept with them? Sounds like a old road whore to me.
 
I Love America said:
What a surprise Thingy the ultimate Crooked Hillary supporter thinks that.

I could never have predicted it. He was probably masturbating to Moochelles speech

I look forward to the release of the next batch of emails

Russia: Doing the job Comey didn't have the balls to do
Click to expand...

A few short years ago, she wasn't at all proud of her country, suddenly now, its great.....shes just another goal-oriented liar.....a typical Democrat...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top