More cops murdered Obama says nothing......................

SmarterthanYou said:
test your theory.....

1) cop ends up shooting and killing innocent civilian, but no intent.....crime? charges?

2) citizen on the street shoots and kills another innocent civilian because he felt threatened, but no intent.....crime? charges?

tell us, does mens rea apply in both cases?
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Of course. Self Defense is an affirmative defense.
 
Taft2016 said:
You've never heard of a self-defense defense?
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of course, but you didn't answer the question......though you did use some very carefully chosen words......

what you failed to admit to, or refuse to recognize, is that in scenario 1, the cop is not going to be charged......he'll be given qualified immunity or a prosecutor will not choose to charge in the first place. In scenario 2, the civilian is still going to get arrested and charged, but will be able to use a valid defense which will cost him thousands or tens of thousands to clear his name.

you see the issue now?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
of course, but you didn't answer the question......though you did use some very carefully chosen words......

what you failed to admit to, or refuse to recognize, is that in scenario 1, the cop is not going to be charged......he'll be given qualified immunity or a prosecutor will not choose to charge in the first place. In scenario 2, the civilian is still going to get arrested and charged, but will be able to use a valid defense which will cost him thousands or tens of thousands to clear his name.

you see the issue now?
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The cop is sent to a scene, or encounters it as part of his patrol duties, and takes action he deems fit, often after making a split second decision. Criminal Procedure Laws autborize him to use that force.

Not the same with civilians.
 
Taft2016 said:
The cop is sent to a scene, or encounters it as part of his patrol duties, and takes action he deems fit, often after making a split second decision. Criminal Procedure Laws autborize him to use that force.

Not the same with civilians.
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so they have extra rights and privileges because they are government enforcers. see, I was right. why was that hard for you to acknowledge?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so they have extra rights and privileges because they are government enforcers. see, I was right. why was that hard for you to acknowledge?
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Wasn't hard to acknowledge. Seemed hard for you to ask.

It's probably universal around the world.

And needed. We have kooks out there who would shoot innocent folks for nothing more than picking up his wife's laptop.
 
Taft2016 said:
Wasn't hard to acknowledge. Seemed hard for you to ask.

It's probably universal around the world.

And needed. We have kooks out there who would shoot innocent folks for nothing more than picking up his wife's laptop.
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ROFL, are you seriously back to that bullshit? you know you fucked up by thinking you didn't even have to prove it was your wifes, like we should just accept that YOU own the laptop. I guess that goes with the arrogance of being an overlord, right?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
ROFL, are you seriously back to that bullshit? you know you fucked up by thinking you didn't even have to prove it was your wifes, like we should just accept that YOU own the laptop. I guess that goes with the arrogance of being an overlord, right?
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Which means you still think you would be justified in shooting someone you think is stealing a laptop, even though he isn't.
 
Taft2016 said:
Which means you still think you would be justified in shooting someone you think is stealing a laptop, even though he isn't.
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but he was. everyone saw a woman using the laptop, now a strange man was taking it, one who wouldn't confirm that it belonged to the wife he said he has.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
but he was. everyone saw a woman using the laptop, now a strange man was taking it, one who wouldn't confirm that it belonged to the wife he said he has.
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As I proved to you at the time, the law does not allow you to stop someone you suspect of a crime, let alone shoot them for not listening to your oddball batshyte self.
 
Taft2016 said:
As I proved to you at the time, the law does not allow you to stop someone you suspect of a crime, let alone shoot them for not listening to your oddball batshyte self.
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you did not prove that at all. are you telling us that the law specifically prohibits non law enforcement from preventing criminal activity like theft?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
you did not prove that at all. are you telling us that the law specifically prohibits non law enforcement from preventing criminal activity like theft?
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We discussed this already. A citizen may intervene if a crime is "in fact" occurring.

Obviously me retrieving my own laptop is not a crime "in fact" occurring and any action you take to stop it opens you up to a multitude of lawsuits, not the least of which is you shooting me for no reason.
 
I have the solution to all of the back and forth about civilians and Cops.

I predict that criminals being shot by cops will drop dramatically, if the criminals would just turn themselves in and confess their behavior; because this would stop the confrontations, the problem of knowing who's a thug and who isn't, there would be no more high speed chases, no doors forced open, no "stop and frisks", etc..

Problem solved.
 
Taft2016 said:
We discussed this already. A citizen may intervene if a crime is "in fact" occurring.

Obviously me retrieving my own laptop is not a crime "in fact" occurring and any action you take to stop it opens you up to a multitude of lawsuits, not the least of which is you shooting me for no reason.
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and again, you refuse to acknowledge that the laptop was never proven to be yours. you are wrong on this, end of story.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
and again, you refuse to acknowledge that the laptop was never proven to be yours. you are wrong on this, end of story.
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And you just keep making my point. If I need to prove to you that the laptop is mine, you do not "in fact" know that it is not mine. Therefore you are not interrupting a crime but merely stopping me based on suspicion, which we also covered that civilians are not authorized to do.

You stopping me and shooting me are unlawful acts that open you to criminal and civil penalties.

Your Winnebago will be mine.
 
Taft2016 said:
And you just keep making my point. If I need to prove to you that the laptop is mine, you do not "in fact" know that it is not mine. Therefore you are not interrupting a crime but merely stopping me based on suspicion, which we also covered that civilians are not authorized to do.
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wrong. you are so wrong. but that goes with being a cop, you're always wrong.

Taft2016 said:
You stopping me and shooting me are unlawful acts that open you to criminal and civil penalties.

Your Winnebago will be mine.
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not when you're dead.
 
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