Are Cons Coming to Terms With Racism in American Policing?

Taft2016 said:
They do. And if one emphasizes the *THE* (thee!), that would make the police the most pressing of a range of problems.
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I started a thread along the same lines and so far it looks like it's being ignored.

For consideration , where I asked the following question: Doos the public also have a responsibility, when it comes to the Police (the spelling error was so the spelling Nazi's had something to try and use to divert from the subject matter).
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I think that one problem is that they aren't proactive regarding themselves and instead just want to complain about what they feel is unfair.

I've been stopped before or been involved with the Police and felt I was being treated unfairly and being disrespected.
I was always told not to argue the point on the side of the road; but I've complained to higher ranking Officers about such conduct and if necessary, I've gone farther up the ladder.

I'm also self educated enough to know what my rights are and if a Cop is being an asshole I know how to be an asshole right back, without "crossing the line.

Example:
I got pulled over, while riding my Motorcycle, and as the Cop was walking up, he made some snide comment about bikers.
He then asked me if I had my registration, insurance, and license.
I replied "Yes I do" and just looked at him.
He stood there with this puzzled look and finally said "Can I see them".
I said "Sure - May I get them from my wallet, which is in my back left pocket".
He said "Yes, but don't make any sudden movements".
I said "No problem", retrieved them, handed them over, and asked why I was being stopped.
He said "I'll get to that in a moment; but why didn't you give me your papers with I asked for them the first time".
I told him "Because you didn't ask for them initially, you just asked if I had them".
After he runs my information, he comes back and I again asked him "Why was I stopped".
He ignores my question and asked "Where are you coming from".
At this point I had had enough and asked him "Is that why you stopped me; because if it's not, then I don't see where I'm coming from has anything to do with this conversation and why did you stop me".
Then he looks at me and asks "Where are you going to".
My reply was "Once again; unless that's the reason you stopped me, I don't see what that has to do with this conversation and once again, why did you stop me".
Then he goes "You know we have a lot of incidents of drug smuggling in this area (which was news to me, seeing as how I had lived in the same location for over 20 years) and do you mind if I search your bike"
I told him "I'm not giving you permission to search me or my bike".
Then he tries to intimidate me by saying "You know that I can detain you and have a K9 unit come out, conduct a walk around search, and if we do find anything - WELL we'll just arrest you and impound your bike".
I looked him dead in the eye and said "You do what you feel you need to do; but I'm not going to be the one that has to explain to higher ups why you spent so much of your time and that of the K9 Officers and came up with nothing - What was the reason you stopped me".

He stands there for a minute or two and I'm just looking at him.
Finally he hands my papers back to me and say's "I stopped you; because you swerved within your lane, back there".
My reply was "Yeah, I thought it best to miss that big black dog that looked like he was going to run in front of me and when I looked back I saw you swerved to miss him also - May I go now".

He stands there for another couple of minutes, kind of sighs, says yes, and walks back to his car.

I called the Police Station, that same day, and talked to the shirt supervisor.
Explained the situation and the conversation to him and asked if I needed to come down to make an OFFICIAL COMPLAINT.
He said while I had the right to do so, he assured me that he would speak with Officer ******.
I thanked him and that Officer never stopped me again.

People need to stop being REACTIVE and instead become PROACTIVE; but you need to know what you're doing and not act like an idiot, just become you've been "slighted".
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The uniform doesn't change people. Ass holes will always be. But I've never come across an asshole so big as to not recognize the severity of using deadly physical force.
 
anatta said:
one cannot. I don't even try. I listen to what is said - it take some of it as truth, some of it as hyperbole,but it ain't me.

The US is in a Cold War type race war, where really bad vibes pop up by whites who get tired of being blame for being white ,
( the "white power structure" is my favorite - since it does not exist).

Blacks are tired of racism, and being killed by cops.
everybody is seething at each other -and thinking the very worst about each other at all times. I stay the fuck out of it.
No winning in that hate filled process
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But you denied the white power structure so you're a racist lol. The liberal power structure has poisoned the well, in my estimation.

But I was interested in how Christie conceived of 'sharing in the black experience'. And she shared some anecdotes.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I started a thread along the same lines and so far it looks like it's being ignored.

For consideration , where I asked the following question: Doos the public also have a responsibility, when it comes to the Police (the spelling error was so the spelling Nazi's had something to try and use to divert from the subject matter).
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In what sense do you mean"responsibilty"?
 
USFREEDOUMB said:
I started a thread along the same lines and so far it looks like it's being ignored.

For consideration , where I asked the following question: Doos the public also have a responsibility, when it comes to the Police (the spelling error was so the spelling Nazi's had something to try and use to divert from the subject matter).
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In what sense do you mean doos?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Think about what you're saying, Thing. Little blacks kids get shot in drive by shootings all too often in some of the worst communities.

Are you seriously contending that cops harassing blacks [to whatever extent it goes on] is a bigger problem than the carnage?

I find it hard to take your outrage seriously.
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Crime expert releases SHOCKING new statistics about black men killed by cops

"...On average, 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012, according to the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports. Using FBI and CDC statistics, Professor Johnson calculates that 112 black men, on average, suffered both justified and unjustified police-involved deaths annually during this period.

This equals 2.5 percent of these 4,472 yearly deaths. For every black man — criminal or innocent — killed by a cop, 40 black men were murdered by other black men. The, at most, 2.5 percent of the problem generates relentless rage. And, yet, it is rude-to-racist to mention 97.5 percent of the problem.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Think about what you're saying, Thing. Little blacks kids get shot in drive by shootings all too often in some of the worst communities.

Are you seriously contending that cops harassing blacks [to whatever extent it goes on] is a bigger problem than the carnage?

I find it hard to take your outrage seriously.
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There are two things at play here that aren't mutually exclusive. Especially in poor inner city neighborhoods black on black crime is a huge problem.

In many middle and upper middle class neighborhoods interaction with the police is at a minimum. In poorer communities where the police are more needed there is a history of cops beating on people and planting evidence and acting very corruptly. That's a major problem which leads to distrust and the relationships we see today between the police and black community
 
Taft2016 said:
Just heed the words of a president whose father was a black man from Kenya, mother was a white woman from Kansas, who met each other at a Marxist Russian language class and raised their kid in Hawaii.

That guy is clearly the epitome of the African American experience.
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You almost get the idea the black experience is some sort of monolith lol.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Well, you first must IDENTIFY with being Black yourself and then use your White guilt to acknowledge that Whites are the only ones that can be in the wrong.
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Nope. I'm all about trying to understand their concerns but I draw the line at guilt. And you know what else? Most blacks, outside of BLM, wouldn't want me to feel guilty about being born white.

It's bull crap.
 
Taft2016 said:
In what sense do you mean"responsibilty"?
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People are complaining about how some Police have treated members of the public and what responsibility the Police have towards the public.
Does the public have a responsibility in the way Police are sometimes treated?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Nope. I'm all about trying to understand their concerns but I draw the line at guilt. And you know what else? Most blacks, outside of BLM, wouldn't want me to feel guilty about being born white.

It's bull crap.
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And I agree; but unfortunately it's the ones with the loudest voices that get reported my the MSM, which of course them leads to others wanting THEIR Andy Warhol moment. :palm:
 
USFREEDUMB said:
It appears that you stopped reading or were unable to comprehend my comment of ...(the spelling error was so the spelling Nazi's had something to try and use to divert from the subject matter).

Seems like I succeeded. :D
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Success is sweet, isn't it Ma'am?
Now, in what sense did you mean doos?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, we can take it any direction if you want to rely on anecdotes.

That still doesn't tell me much. I recognize that blacks experience discrimination at times. But how much of it is real and how much is just perception?
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My example isn't anecdotal, it really happened and the apt. mgt. company got slapped with fines. This is about another company that tried it.

A Baldwin Borough apartment manager turned away black men, promising to put their names on a waiting list, but told white men that apartments were available, the Justice Department said on Tuesday.

“This is the face of modern discrimination,” said Jay Dworin, executive director of the Fair Housing Partnership of Greater Pittsburgh, which isn't involved in the case. “It's what we call discrimination with a smile and a handshake.”

In a lawsuit filed by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, the government said it conducted three tests from February to April. It accuses Bill Turzai, manager of Baldwin Commons, of offering apartments to a white tester but telling a black tester hours later or the next day that none was available. He subsequently told another white tester that an apartment was open, the lawsuit says."

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4806614-74/apartment-available-lawsuit
 
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