Are Cons Coming to Terms With Racism in American Policing?

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Did they have a come-to-Jesus moment or is it political calculation?

"...an extraordinary Facebook Live chat with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, suggest that the combination of Thursday night’s carnage and the police killings of two black men earlier in the week might be changing some minds on the right. The comments made by Gingrich are arguably the most newsworthy:

"It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal, white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk."

The Black Lives Matter movement, Gingrich said, should be seen as a “corrective” that “initially people reject because it’s not in their world.”

But Gingrich wasn’t the only conservative who was moved on Friday to break the rules of conservative discourse. Over at the Daily Caller, writer Matt K. Lewis wrote a post that opened with an unequivocal assertion: “[P]olice brutality toward African-Americans is a pervasive problem that has been going on for generations.” In the post, headlined “A confession,” Lewis grappled with the fact that, as a white person, he was raised to “reflexively believe the police” and “give them the benefit of the doubt,” while many black Americans have reasonably come to the conclusion that they and their children are “living under an occupying army.”

Lewis’ post ended with an expression of hope that videos of police encounters like the two that surfaced this week would cause “naive, white Americans” ”to start seeing the issue of police violence against blacks with less cloudy eyes."

One such white American has turned out to be Leon H. Wolf, managing editor of the website RedState. Friday morning, Wolf published what might be the most striking of all the conservative commentary we’ve seen on Dallas. In a post titled “The Uncomfortable Reason Why It Came to This In Dallas Yesterday,” Wolf argued that it was time to acknowledge not only the “lingering mistrust between police and minority communities,” but the fact that this mistrust is based on something real: namely, that “police often interact with minority communities in different ways than they do with the white community.

“Look, I don’t know,” Wolf writes. “I don't want to rush to judgment on either the Baton Rouge shooting or the Falcon Heights shooting, but based upon what we have seen, they look bad. Very bad.”

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/08/newt_gingrich_and_other_conservatives_seem_to_be_coming_to_terms_with_racism.html
 
Ok try and ignore the fact it's a Rush link and focus on the numbers:

"The fact is that over 6,000 blacks die of homicide each year. That is more than white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are 13 percent of the nation's population. And the reason they are dying of homicide at a rate six times higher than whites and Hispanics combined is because they commit homicide at eight times the rate higher than whites and Hispanics combined. And that type of crime disparity means that when the police are trying to save lives, they are in minority neighborhoods confronting people engaged in drive‑by shootings, killing children.

RUSH: Heather, you've just alluded to something that's highly politically incorrect. You've just given numbers, hard evidence, on what is called black-on-black crime. You're not supposed to mention that during incidents like this because the only thing you're supposed to talk about, Heather, is how vicious racist white cops are hunting down innocent black men in neighborhoods. That's the narrative. That's what inner-city youths are being taught. That's what they're being told.

MAC DONALD: Rush, here's another very politically incorrect fact, and I don't want to racialize policing, people should not. But if we're going to talk about race and policing, let's talk about cop killings. Over the last decade, black males made up 40 percent of all cop killers, even though they're six percent of the population. It turns out, Rush, that a police officer is 18-and-a-half times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is likely to be killed by a police officer.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2...alks_about_her_essential_book_the_war_on_cops


A big part of why this issue never advances is because it's always about what cops [or white people] are doing wrong; and rarely, if ever, what the black community can do about it.

If police officers behave differently in black communities maybe it has to do with the fact the officer is 18 times more likely to be a victim of violence than the black person is.

Maybe white cops should try and know what it is to be black, but that street runs both ways.
 
christiefan915 said:
Did they have a come-to-Jesus moment or is it political calculation?

"...an extraordinary Facebook Live chat with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, suggest that the combination of Thursday night’s carnage and the police killings of two black men earlier in the week might be changing some minds on the right. The comments made by Gingrich are arguably the most newsworthy:

"It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal, white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk."

The Black Lives Matter movement, Gingrich said, should be seen as a “corrective” that “initially people reject because it’s not in their world.”

But Gingrich wasn’t the only conservative who was moved on Friday to break the rules of conservative discourse. Over at the Daily Caller, writer Matt K. Lewis wrote a post that opened with an unequivocal assertion: “[P]olice brutality toward African-Americans is a pervasive problem that has been going on for generations.” In the post, headlined “A confession,” Lewis grappled with the fact that, as a white person, he was raised to “reflexively believe the police” and “give them the benefit of the doubt,” while many black Americans have reasonably come to the conclusion that they and their children are “living under an occupying army.”

Lewis’ post ended with an expression of hope that videos of police encounters like the two that surfaced this week would cause “naive, white Americans” ”to start seeing the issue of police violence against blacks with less cloudy eyes."

One such white American has turned out to be Leon H. Wolf, managing editor of the website RedState. Friday morning, Wolf published what might be the most striking of all the conservative commentary we’ve seen on Dallas. In a post titled “The Uncomfortable Reason Why It Came to This In Dallas Yesterday,” Wolf argued that it was time to acknowledge not only the “lingering mistrust between police and minority communities,” but the fact that this mistrust is based on something real: namely, that “police often interact with minority communities in different ways than they do with the white community.

“Look, I don’t know,” Wolf writes. “I don't want to rush to judgment on either the Baton Rouge shooting or the Falcon Heights shooting, but based upon what we have seen, they look bad. Very bad.”

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/08/newt_gingrich_and_other_conservatives_seem_to_be_coming_to_terms_with_racism.html
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With all due respect If this is partisan why do the racist cops generally exist in Democratic run cities?
 
cawacko said:
With all due respect If this is partisan why do the racist cops generally exist in Democratic run cities?
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I've wondered along a similar vein myself: why is it most of the urban hotspots are run by liberals and not conservatives?

Regarding Newt: the cynical side of me wonders if he's not engaging in some subtle pandering to boost Trumps numbers with blacks. The liberal narrative is out of sync with the statistics as demonstrated in my prior post.

I find it hard to believe he's not aware of those numbers.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I've wondered along a similar vein myself: why is it most of the urban hotspots are run by liberals and not conservatives?

Regarding Newt: the cynical side of me wonders if he's not engaging in some subtle pandering to boost Trumps numbers with blacks. The liberal narrative is out of sync with the statistics as demonstrated in my prior post.

I find it hard to believe he's not aware of those numbers.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
 
As hrc pointed out in her CNN interview with wolf Blitzer, these conflicts occur with blacks with extensive records. Yet somehow it's the fault of white people that these people with habitual inability to control their aggression are habitually aggressive and so personal responsibility does not pertain to them.

Noot is obviously taking political action to insure it's unusable politically as a clever pol would do.

But the gauntlet is down now. And the ripples will spread far. The blood is horrible but this will kill off any return to cities for whites and more will become Detroit. People will not go where it's not safe.

Dr King's dream is officially dead and the black president killed it. Nice job BO.
 
Celticguy said:
As hrc pointed out in her CNN interview with wolf Blitzer, these conflicts occur with blacks with extensive records. Yet somehow it's the fault of white people that these people with habitual inability to control their aggression are habitually aggressive and so personal responsibility does not pertain to them.

Noot is obviously taking political action to insure it's unusable politically as a clever pol would do.

But the gauntlet is down now. And the ripples will spread far. The blood is horrible but this will kill off any return to cities for whites and more will become Detroit. People will not go where it's not safe.

Dr King's dream is officially dead and the black president killed it. Nice job BO.
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What we know about police conflicts with blacks is the tip lof the iceberg. Sometimes but not always it makes the news when a white cop kills a black person. WaPo keeps track of all police shootings and so far this year 512 people have been shot and killed by police. So it's crazy to blame them mostly on blacks with records.

Your comment that personal responsibility doesn't pertain to some blacks is just icky. Lack of personal responsibility can apply to anyone.
 
In fact, just this week I saw on TV there was this guy in Dallas with a rifle who told police he hated white people, and wanted to kill them. And actually killed a few.

Isn't that textbook racism?
 
Taft2016 said:
In fact, just this week I saw on TV there was this guy in Dallas with a rifle who told police he hated white people, and wanted to kill them. And actually killed a few.

Isn't that textbook racism?
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Of course. But nobody wants to talk about it lol. Or if it is talked about, it's tacitly justified because racist cops have declared open season on black people. And around we go.

If we're going to have a one sided discussion on race it's probably better not talked about at all. When liberal politicians or academics [usually white, oddly] say we need to have a national discussion on race, it's code for 'it's time to condescend towards whites about race'.

Hillary did it the other day. But we've done nothing but talk about race the past 8 years and things are getting worse and not better.

Maybe we should try not talking about it.
 
cawacko said:
Not sure if serious. Where have the big anti police riots occurred? What cities were the black panthers involved in? Do you think cops are beating blacks in rural America?
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My post wasn't about riots and police violence against blacks isn't only confined to riots. Pittsburgh has a terrible record of police misconduct against blacks but you (pl.) don't hear about it because it's mostly one on one. We were under a federal consent decree in the past but it didn't change police conduct permanently.

Yes I think cops are beating blacks in rural America, and anywhere else blacks live.
 
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