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He had no specifics? Say Iran.
Trump's foreign policy speech
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He had no specifics? Say Iran.
Absolutely, it is idiots electing idiots, sorry, but that is truly how I feel.
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I don't even look at that as an opinion. I think it's pretty verifiable fact at this point.
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It's an opinion.
Trump has a history of taking positions and walking them back. And forth.
Do you think that'll work in foreign relations, lol?
Scarborough: Trump Put 'Himself to the Left' of Clinton With Speech
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Joe-Scaborough-Trump-Left-Clinton/2016/04/28/id/726236/
With his extensive foreign policy speech Wednesday, Donald Trump positioned himself in a place far left of Hillary Clinton's, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said Thursday.
"If everybody hadn't been mocking him so much, they would figure him out politically," Scarborough, a former Florida representative, said on his "Morning Joe" program. "This is how they missed the rise of Donald Trump. He positioned himself to the left.
She's the neo-con and he's the one preaching restraint."
Bloomberg Politics Editor Mark Halperin agreed that Trump's speech was not the "most specific speech ever," but it was attacked from people on the left and the right for the same reasons, and shows that Trump will face "something that I don't remember any general candidate taking, fire from both sides."
Further, reporters who mocked the speech and didn't try to break it down also show a problem for Trump moving forward.
He agreed with Scarborough that it was ironic for Trump to take a position to the left, but noted that when Bill Clinton ran for president, he positioned himself to the right of George H.W. Bush on the use of force in Bosnia and Serbia for a "bit of political jujitsu" no one saw coming.
What was interesting about the speech, in this case, is Clinton is about to get outflanked to the left," said Haass. "
Meanwhile, NBC's Willie Geist said he thought the speech was a "microcosm of his campaign."
"There weren't particulars, but people who love and support him weren't looking for particulars," Geist said. "They want to be reminded he would put America first. If you're in the middle and don't like him, it was ridiculous."
In another point in about the speech, Scarborough said that Trump's call to pull back from paying to help defend countries like Germany and Japan reflect the thinking of many Americans who think those countries can take care of their own foreign policy.
It's not 1945 anymore," he said, and taxpayers want to know "'why are we carrying two of the most powerful economies in the world on our backs. We're sick and tired of it. Taxpayers here shouldn't do it . . . when Donald Trump starts talking that way, there are a lot of people across the nation nodding."
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/Joe-Scaborough-Trump-Left-Clinton/2016/04/28/id/726236/
With his extensive foreign policy speech Wednesday, Donald Trump positioned himself in a place far left of Hillary Clinton's, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said Thursday.
"If everybody hadn't been mocking him so much, they would figure him out politically," Scarborough, a former Florida representative, said on his "Morning Joe" program. "This is how they missed the rise of Donald Trump. He positioned himself to the left.
She's the neo-con and he's the one preaching restraint."
Bloomberg Politics Editor Mark Halperin agreed that Trump's speech was not the "most specific speech ever," but it was attacked from people on the left and the right for the same reasons, and shows that Trump will face "something that I don't remember any general candidate taking, fire from both sides."
Further, reporters who mocked the speech and didn't try to break it down also show a problem for Trump moving forward.
Richard Haass, a former diplomat and current president of the Council of Foreign Relations, said the speech demonstrated an economic nationalist position, agreeing with Scarborough that Trump's stance is very "Jacksonian," a reference to late President Andrew Jackson's movement toward greater democracy for the common man.
He agreed with Scarborough that it was ironic for Trump to take a position to the left, but noted that when Bill Clinton ran for president, he positioned himself to the right of George H.W. Bush on the use of force in Bosnia and Serbia for a "bit of political jujitsu" no one saw coming.
What was interesting about the speech, in this case, is Clinton is about to get outflanked to the left," said Haass. "
Scarborough said that he doesn't suggest going back to Jacksonian foreign policy, but still, Trump "once again with this speech tapped into the angst."
Meanwhile, NBC's Willie Geist said he thought the speech was a "microcosm of his campaign."
"There weren't particulars, but people who love and support him weren't looking for particulars," Geist said. "They want to be reminded he would put America first. If you're in the middle and don't like him, it was ridiculous."
In another point in about the speech, Scarborough said that Trump's call to pull back from paying to help defend countries like Germany and Japan reflect the thinking of many Americans who think those countries can take care of their own foreign policy.
It's not 1945 anymore," he said, and taxpayers want to know "'why are we carrying two of the most powerful economies in the world on our backs. We're sick and tired of it. Taxpayers here shouldn't do it . . . when Donald Trump starts talking that way, there are a lot of people across the nation nodding."
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Trump's first major foreign policy address alarmed American allies, who view the Republican front runner's repeated invocation of an "America first" agenda as a threat to retreat from the world.
While most governments were careful not to comment publicly on a speech by a U.S. presidential candidate, Germany's foreign minister veered from that protocol to express concern at Trump's wording.
"I can only hope that the election campaign in the USA does not lack the perception of reality," Frank-Walter Steinmeier said.
"The world's security architecture has changed and it is no longer based on two pillars alone. It cannot be conducted unilaterally," he said of foreign policy in a post-Cold War world. "No American president can get round this change in the international security architecture.... 'America first' is actually no answer to that."
Carl Bildt, a former Swedish prime minister and foreign minister who served as UN envoy to the Balkans in the aftermath of the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, said he heard Trump's speech as "abandoning both democratic allies and democratic values".
"Trump had not a word against Russian aggression in Ukraine, but plenty against past U.S. support for democracy in Egypt," Bildt said on Twitter, referring to lines from Trump's speech that criticized the Barack Obama administration for withdrawing support for autocrat Hosni Mubarak during a 2011 uprising.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XO10R?
While most governments were careful not to comment publicly on a speech by a U.S. presidential candidate, Germany's foreign minister veered from that protocol to express concern at Trump's wording.
"I can only hope that the election campaign in the USA does not lack the perception of reality," Frank-Walter Steinmeier said.
"The world's security architecture has changed and it is no longer based on two pillars alone. It cannot be conducted unilaterally," he said of foreign policy in a post-Cold War world. "No American president can get round this change in the international security architecture.... 'America first' is actually no answer to that."
Carl Bildt, a former Swedish prime minister and foreign minister who served as UN envoy to the Balkans in the aftermath of the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, said he heard Trump's speech as "abandoning both democratic allies and democratic values".
"Trump had not a word against Russian aggression in Ukraine, but plenty against past U.S. support for democracy in Egypt," Bildt said on Twitter, referring to lines from Trump's speech that criticized the Barack Obama administration for withdrawing support for autocrat Hosni Mubarak during a 2011 uprising.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XO10R?
I'm really sick of reporters/pundits this campaign. They have been pushing the Clntonian inevitability from before the start of the primary.
Now the mock and ridicule Trump instead of giving analysis..
Nothing wrong with a solid critique, but not the mindless ridicule the left press passes out.
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A major theme -- that more NATO allies should spend at least 2 percent of their economic output on defense -- is one that has also been taken up by the Obama administration itself, including repeatedly during the president's visit to Europe last week.
Nevertheless, Trump's rhetoric raised alarm in allied countries that still rely on the superpower for defense, particularly the phrase "America first", used in the 1930s by isolationists that sought to keep the United States out of World War Two.
Former South Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Sung-han, who now teaches at the Korea University in Seoul, said Trump would be "the first isolationist to be U.S. presidential candidate, while in the post-war era all the U.S. presidents have been to varying degrees internationalists.”
“Saying the U.S. will no longer engage in anything that is a burden in terms of its relationships with allies, it would be almost like abandoning those alliances," he said. “It will inevitably give rise to anti-American sentiment worldwide.”
Xenia Wickett, head of the U.S. and Americas Programme at Britain's Chatham House think tank, said the speech “suggests Trump would make America’s allies less secure rather than more.
"He talked about allies being confident but all of his rhetoric suggested that America should be unpredictable and that America’s allies needed to stand up for themselves."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XO10R?
Nevertheless, Trump's rhetoric raised alarm in allied countries that still rely on the superpower for defense, particularly the phrase "America first", used in the 1930s by isolationists that sought to keep the United States out of World War Two.
Former South Korean Vice Foreign Minister Kim Sung-han, who now teaches at the Korea University in Seoul, said Trump would be "the first isolationist to be U.S. presidential candidate, while in the post-war era all the U.S. presidents have been to varying degrees internationalists.”
“Saying the U.S. will no longer engage in anything that is a burden in terms of its relationships with allies, it would be almost like abandoning those alliances," he said. “It will inevitably give rise to anti-American sentiment worldwide.”
Xenia Wickett, head of the U.S. and Americas Programme at Britain's Chatham House think tank, said the speech “suggests Trump would make America’s allies less secure rather than more.
"He talked about allies being confident but all of his rhetoric suggested that America should be unpredictable and that America’s allies needed to stand up for themselves."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN0XO10R?
more EU spin. Look NATO is pretty much a sacred cow. I'd rather we not talk about disengagement -it'snotgoing to ever happen -
but it does indeed embold Putin's adventurism .
Obama's support for Morsi was a terrible gaffe -what's so special about democracy?
Now instead of Mubarak, you got el-Sisi -whom I have much respect for, but by supporting Morsi
it tipped the entire US policy to mindless human rights..
Everybody settle down. Trump isn't insane, although I wish he'd shut up about NATO.
But considering the real fuck ups by Obama/Hillary..there isn't a lot to carry forward from those 2 either.
one thing i love is that when the US engages they end up being hated and told to butt out. Now the US is saying it will step back and it will still end up hated XD
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I honestly don't care how elitist this sounds, or how arrogant - Trump's entire candidacy merits ridicule. It is ridiculous; I don't see why people need to sugarcoat that, or pretend it is anything but that.
of course you wont. if you put together a team of neo cons and neo libs thats the foreign policy you get. if you want that then vote clinton. Trump is proposing an alternate foreign policy mindset.
lol, yes, contradictions, outright ignorance and nation building, but not nation building, working with our allies, but alienating them. He's a laughing stock this morning.
then use specific criticisms -
that's what I do, and it's not sugarcoating or mindless ridicule that way.
There certainly is a LOT to criticize about Hillary/Obama too..be specific, which is what Scarborough ( and I've noticed) the press is wont to do.
the other 2 would insist on nationbuilding.
I'm done being nice, I after listening to this foreign policy speech, I plan to just tell people they are idiots for voting for him. There is no other explanation.
When was it otherwise?
without a doubt Hillary is a "neo-lib" ( to use that term). she hasn't met an intervention she hasn't embraced-
and then she defends it with claims of "Smart power"
what is so smart about destroying Libya, or meddling in Syria, or voting for the Iraq war????
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I completely disagree that it hasn't been specific. I watched a lot of coverage yesterday - CNN in particular was not ridiculing at all. They were certainly skeptical, though, and went into great detail about the contradictions in Trump's word, as well as some historical context on nationalism and how it generally hasn't worked as an overriding philosophy for foreign policy.
They didn't skip the details.