Ray Lewis loud and wrong on Black Lives Matter, crime

Rana said:
Cawacko, all the blacks I know have suffered some form of discrimination, I am sure they don't need to have it instilled in them by anyone, they have experienced it.
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I saw it first hand when a black friend and I went to a jewelry store at one time. We were both bringing in something for repair. The clerk came up to me and took my item and completely ignored my friend until she rapped on the counter to get the clerk's attention. And the sad thing is, my friend was used to people acting like that.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
What does education and job opportunities have to do with discrimination? Job opportunities suck in lots of places and it has nothing to do with discrimination. Education in inner cities sucks, but it's largely because most good teachers don't want to teach there and it's hard to blame them. But again, what does that have to do with discrimination?
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Recently some celebrity or personality, don't remember who, stated that you never see school vouchers in upscale communities. Poor districts get the dirty end of the stick when it comes to funding education.
 
christiefan915 said:
I saw it first hand when a black friend and I went to a jewelry store at one time. We were both bringing in something for repair. The clerk came up to me and took my item and completely ignored my friend until she rapped on the counter to get the clerk's attention. And the sad thing is, my friend was used to people acting like that.
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It is so common, that is why I laugh when people suggest that it is being instilled in them. I was shocked by cawacko's response, he should know better!
 
Rana said:
It is so common, that is why I laugh when people suggest that it is being instilled in them. I was shocked by cawacko's response, he should know better!
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You have to understand the context. I've said numerous times discrimination is real and have seen it happen to my friends. That is separate from the comment that was made that racism is what's holding people back is what's being taught/preached. That is true as well.
 
cawacko said:
You have to understand the context. I've said numerous times discrimination is real and have seen it happen to my friends. That is separate from the comment that was made that racism is what's holding people back is what's being taught/preached. That is true as well.
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Do you feel your black friends are being held back? Do you feel they have been instilled with the message? Your friends seem to be a little more influential than most blacks, what do they do to mentor these blacks that are being instilled with this message?

Is it the socioeconomic conditions into which some blacks are born? We don't really have the economic condition in Anchorage that Detroit does, people here are able to find jobs, even though they may have to have two or three to survive, but they have jobs.

The blacks I know aren't any different that myself, but they do know that there are some people who do not see them as equals.
 
Rana said:
Do you feel your black friends are being held back? Do you feel they have been instilled with the message? Your friends seem to be a little more influential than most blacks, what do they do to mentor these blacks that are being instilled with this message?

Is it the socioeconomic conditions into which some blacks are born? We don't really have the economic condition in Anchorage that Detroit does, people here are able to find jobs, even though they may have to have two or three to survive, but they have jobs.

The blacks I know aren't any different that myself, but they do know that there are some people who do not see them as equals.
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I'm at (my favorite place) a bar about to watch the Warriors try to set the record. I'll respond to this and give you examples to explain where I'm coming from.
 
christiefan915 said:
Recently some celebrity or personality, don't remember who, stated that you never see school vouchers in upscale communities. Poor districts get the dirty end of the stick when it comes to funding education.
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I don't see where that answers the question. The same thing goes on in poor white districts. Are they suffering from discrimination too?
 
cawacko said:
With the caveat that almost no one likes any crime, to me murder is the ultimate crime. And with the number one killer of young black men being murder it's going to get more attention than anything else. Now I don't use the term 'black on black crime'. I see it used occasionally when I read Facebook discussions among black friends (when talking to each other) about what's going on in the community and the need for it to stop.

I've seen black friends get harassed by the police. I know how very real it is so I understand the frustration behind #BLM. I've also seen black folks wanting the cops to come into their communities to clear out the drug dealers and criminals. So it's a mixed bag there. I can also understand why non black people would have the thought of 'the number of black males killed by cops is negligible compared to being killed by others so why so much emphasis on the cops' (and yes the cops are expected to protect and serve and thus are different than private citizens). Clearly there are some within the black community who feel the same way.
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FBI stats say that around 45% of murders are committed by blacks and they represent 13% of the population. Assuming that the vast majority of those murders are by black males then it is fair to say that 45% of murders are committed by about 7% of the population. Is that accurate, anybody want to contest that?
 
Rana said:
Do you feel your black friends are being held back? Do you feel they have been instilled with the message? Your friends seem to be a little more influential than most blacks, what do they do to mentor these blacks that are being instilled with this message?

Is it the socioeconomic conditions into which some blacks are born? We don't really have the economic condition in Anchorage that Detroit does, people here are able to find jobs, even though they may have to have two or three to survive, but they have jobs.

The blacks I know aren't any different that myself, but they do know that there are some people who do not see them as equals.
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You know who just popped into my head was BAC, you remember him from this board. Now assuming what he posts is true he's said before that he works with/mentors a number of black youth. He wrote on the other board recently that a number of these kids were disillusioned with the system and that BAC tells them not to go into the military and fight for a country that doesn't care about them.

To me it was kind of depressing to read that. We are well aware of the faults in our system and racial issues in our country. But those negative thoughts and attitudes, imo, only serve to hold people back. (Now I'm not suggesting these young men need to go to military but more the idea that the country doesn't care about you.)

I'm generally a glass half full kind of guy and when I volunteered teaching I would always tell the kids to strive for their dreams and not let other's negativity prevent them from becoming the best they can be. Now maybe that's easy for me to say as a white person but I don't think so. I think that applies to all young people and I don't like seeing mental things hold them back.
 
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