Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again

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I'll stop talking about "black on black crime" as soon as the BLM idiots realize that, in fact, "almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially". I've known this for decades. Most white people have known about it regardless of what the dailykos says. Probably a big reason why there is no "White Lives Matter" movement. And I don't care how you slice and dice the percentages, more black people are murdered by black people than by white people, and if they really put forth an effort to curb "black on black crime" instead of marching around with signs, cursing the police and causing traffic jams, maybe they would be taken more seriously. So dailykos, you can kiss my ass. And stop telling me what to think and say. Stop. Now. Forever. Thank you.

That really misses the point of BLM.

BLM is more about discriminatory policies. Of course everyone cares about all kinds of crime & murder, but BLM is specifically targeted at those actions and attitudes that result from racism and discrimination.

 

[cawacko]

That really misses the point of BLM.

BLM is more about discriminatory policies. Of course everyone cares about all kinds of crime & murder, but BLM is specifically targeted at those actions and attitudes that result from racism and discrimination.

Specifically it's about policing.

 

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Specifically it's about policing.

Exactly right. And there really isn't any way for a white guy like me to understand what it's like to be pulled over for the color of my skin, or frisked randomly.

I was watching "Parts Unknown" on CNN, and they were doing the Bronx. A guy was talking to Anthony Bourdain about how he had been frisked over 100x based on their "stop and frisk" policy there. Just a law-abiding dude w/ a job. I can't imagine. His eyes were welling up when he was describing it.

 

[christiefan915]

I'll stop talking about "black on black crime" as soon as the BLM idiots realize that, in fact, "almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially". I've known this for decades. Most white people have known about it regardless of what the dailykos says. Probably a big reason why there is no "White Lives Matter" movement. And I don't care how you slice and dice the percentages, more black people are murdered by black people than by white people, and if they really put forth an effort to curb "black on black crime" instead of marching around with signs, cursing the police and causing traffic jams, maybe they would be taken more seriously. So dailykos, you can kiss my ass. And stop telling me what to think and say. Stop. Now. Forever. Thank you.

You're not saying anything different from the article. More blacks are killed by other blacks. More whites are killed by other whites. The author is trying to make the point that nobody ever talks about white on white crime the same way as they talk about black on black crime.

 

[cawacko]

You're not saying anything different from the article. More blacks are killed by other blacks. More whites are killed by other whites. The author is trying to make the point that nobody ever talks about white on white crime the same way as they talk about black on black crime.

I'm repeating myself here but it's the number one killer of young black men. It's going to be discussed different than young white men being murdered.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially.

/boggle, Chrispy.....that's the point in bringing up "black on black" crime when someone starts a thread about some white cop killing a black person.......we ask, why don't you say something when a black person kills a black person which happens ten times more often.......

 

[christiefan915]

I'm repeating myself here but it's the number one killer of young black men. It's going to be discussed different than young white men being murdered.

I have to repeat myself too. The OP wasn't about young black men only, it was about crime as a totality. The author didn't mention gender and age group, the thread got diverted to that.

I agree with the author that when crime is discussed you rarely, if ever, see the words white on white.

 

[christiefan915]

/boggle, Chrispy.....that's the point in bringing up "black on black" crime when someone starts a thread about some white cop killing a black person.......we ask, why don't you say something when a black person kills a black person which happens ten times more often.......

It appears you're having a problem discerning the point of the thread. Read this until it sinks in. "Yet, the only race-based phrase to ever describe crime is black on black."

 

[cawacko]

I have to repeat myself too. The OP wasn't about young black men only, it was about crime as a totality. The author didn't mention gender and age group, the thread got diverted to that.

I agree with the author that when crime is discussed you rarely, if ever, see the words white on white.

Because of the epidemic proportions it reached in the black community is why it gets discussed that way.

 

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/boggle, Chrispy.....that's the point in bringing up "black on black" crime when someone starts a thread about some white cop killing a black person.......we ask, why don't you say something when a black person kills a black person which happens ten times more often.......

You're a "pro lifer." How come you don't say something about innocent casualties in war, or about the death penalty? Why aren't you posting every day about murders that occur everywhere?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Only buffoons like RacerX look at it as some sort of innate thing.

It's circumstance. Poverty breeds crime. More blacks live in poverty.

Not a complicated thing.

Then how come the murder rate didn't come anywhere near the same percentages, during the great depression?

 

[cawacko]

It appears you're having a problem discerning the point of the thread. Read this until it sinks in. "Yet, the only race-based phrase to ever describe crime is black on black."

It's interesting Shaun King talks about others having an agenda as if he himself is without one. Read up on his background if you aren't familiar with who he is. And him trying to throw Fox News in there to further his agenda. Fox News wasn't around when the songs I posted were made that discussed the desire to stop black on black violence.

 

[christiefan915]

Because of the epidemic proportions it reached in the black community is why it gets discussed that way.

Do you think that because black males have a higher percentage of homicide, the fact whites commit the most crimes by number shouldn't be talked about?

Table 43

 

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Then how come the murder rate didn't come anywhere near the same percentages, during the great depression?

Crime definitely went up. You're also talking about a limited period of time. With the inner cities, we're talking about generations of poverty. There are probably dozens of differentiators if you really want to research the topic and draw a comparison.

Man, do I love, love, LOVE that you jump in and seem to take the "violence is innate in blacks" position right off the bat. What a loser.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Exactly right. And there really isn't any way for a white guy like me to understand what it's like to be pulled over for the color of my skin, or frisked randomly.

I was watching "Parts Unknown" on CNN, and they were doing the Bronx. A guy was talking to Anthony Bourdain about how he had been frisked over 100x based on their "stop and frisk" policy there. Just a law-abiding dude w/ a job. I can't imagine. His eyes were welling up when he was describing it.

As a "white guy"......Oh really.

Try riding a motorcycle, that doesn't look like a hot wheels toy with a color coordinated outfit.

 

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As a "white guy"......Oh really.

Try riding a motorcycle, that doesn't look like a hot wheels toy with a color coordinated outfit.

You're really one of the dumbest posters here. By a mile.

 

[christiefan915]

It's interesting Shaun King talks about others having an agenda as if he himself is without one. Read up on his background if you aren't familiar with who he is. And him trying to throw Fox News in there to further his agenda. Fox News wasn't around when the songs I posted were made that discussed the desire to stop black on black violence.

I just read his Wiki bio, seems pretty mundane.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I have to repeat myself too. The OP wasn't about young black men only, it was about crime as a totality. The author didn't mention gender and age group, the thread got diverted to that.

I agree with the author that when crime is discussed you rarely, if ever, see the words white on white.

Maybe it's because they don't have groups that are called White Lives Matter, which would immediately be labled as racist, or blocking roads and highways in protest, or burning down entire white communities over something that occurs, etc, etc.

 

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Here are some facts from Channel 4, a British TV channel.

The claim

“It’s important to note that black men commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population.”
“James”, 26 November 2014

The analysis

There were angry protests across America this week after a grand jury decided a white police officer should not stand trial for the killing of black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. FactCheck has already looked at the statistics on killings by law enforcement officials. Though imperfect, the official figures suggest blacks are disproportionately likely to die at the hands of police.

Several people have left comments pointing out that this is not necessarily surprising or unfair, since blacks are also disproportionately likely to be involved in violent crime in the US, thereby putting themselves in the firing line. One reader, “James”, wrote: “It’s important to note that black men commit nearly half of all murders in this country, which is astounding when you take into consideration the fact that they only make up 12-13 per cent of the population. “So, given this fact, does it make sense that black men are disproportionately involved in shootings with the police? Your graph is appropriately proportionate, when you take into consideration the role that the black population plays in, not just murder, but crime in general.”

“Sean” said: “If one group is more likely to be involved in that then they are more likely to be killed by the police – so they have nothing to complain about if that is the case.” We thought we’d check these claims out.

The analysis

It’s true that around 13 per cent of Americans are black, according to the latest estimates from the US Census Bureau. And yes, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white. Homicide is a broader category than “murder” but let’s not split hairs.



Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher. As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story. In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases. What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. Clearly, these figures are problematic. We’re talking about arrests not convictions, and high black arrest rates could be taken as evidence that the police are racist.

But academics have noted that the proportion of black suspects arrested by the police tends to match closely the proportion of offenders identified as black by victims in the National Crime Victimization Survey. This doesn’t support the idea that the police are unfairly discriminating against the black population when they make arrests. So why are black offenders – and young black men in particular – over-represented in America’s crime statistics? Judging from online comments, there is a wide spectrum of views on this, from unapologetic racism to militant refusal to blame the problem on anything but historic white racism.

Some criminologists think we could be simply confusing race for poverty or inequality: black people tend to offend more because they tend to be more disadvantaged, living in poorer urban areas with less access to public services, and so on. If you control for deprivation, people of different races ought to be similarly predisposed to commit crime. Or that’s the theory, at least. There is a lot of research in this area, but a lot of it is contradictory. This study of violent crime in deprived neighbourhoods in Cleveland, Ohio, found that reductions in poverty led to reductions in the crime rate in exactly the same way in predominantly black and white areas, suggesting poverty, not race, is the biggest factor.

Other studies get different results.

All sociologists have suffered from the same basic problem: finding urban white communities that are as disadvantaged as the poorest black neighbourhoods, so that you can get a fair comparison. Some thinkers play down the importance of poverty in favour of the “violent subculture theory”. This is the idea that some black communities, for some reason, have developed cultural values that are more tolerant of crime and violence. Some commentators on the unrest in Ferguson – mostly right-wing, though not all white – seem to favour this idea, but naturally it remains highly controversial.

The verdict

There is evidence in the official police-recorded figures that black Americans are more likely to commit certain types of crime than people of other races. While it would be naïve to suggest that there is no racism in the US criminal justice system, victim reports don’t support the idea that this is because of mass discrimination. Higher poverty rates among various urban black communities might explain the difference in crime rates, although the evidence is mixed. There are few simple answers and links between crime and race are likely to remain the subject of bitter argument.


http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime/19439

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It appears you're having a problem discerning the point of the thread. Read this until it sinks in. "Yet, the only race-based phrase to ever describe crime is black on black."

Maybe because there isn't a group called "White Lives Matter", that is constantly calling attention to themselves.