Why do they hate Hillary Clinton so much?

Look at your comments about Nancy and Barbara. It's really no different than Hillary. Partisans are gonna partisans. The HUGE difference with Hillary as FLOTUS was she said all along she and Bill were a two for one combo and when she threw herself into the heart of the healthcare battle that was a game changer. Nancy Reagan and Barbara Bush did nothing like that (nor any other recent FLOTUS). You can't take the lead in that and then claim to be off limits.

Nancy practically ran reagan's schedule behind the scenes and used astrology to do it. She was behind Don Regan getting the axe and the hiring/firing of other political consultants. The only difference between her and Hillary is that she didn't come out openly and say what she was doing. You should do some googling on Nancy, you might be surprised at all the influence she had.

Also, it was Bill who said if he got elected people would get two for one, not Hillary. reagan said the same thing about Nancy but not in the same words so he got a pass.

Bernie has called himself a democratic socialist over and over. He doesn't try to hide it. I abhor a Democratic socialist as much as a socialist. He spent his whole career, until last year, as an Independent. Hillary Clinton ripped him on it during the debates that he was never a Democrat.

I already said that Bern calls himself a democrat socialist. My problem is when people think that puts him on a par with Marx and Lenin who really advocated a classless society where the government owned the means of production, i.e. communism. But, IMO even if by some long shot Bern got elected he could not turn the country to democratic socialism. I personally am more worried about someone like Cruz and his vision of American society and his strong belief in religious fundamentalism. There are more like Cruz than Bern in DC.

Hillary is not likeable, she does not have the charisma of her husband or Obama.
Well, I read Hillary's book and she came off as likeable. I also read Laura's, Sarah's, and Michelle Bachmann's books and they mostly came off as likeable too, Laura the most and Michelle the least IMO. How important is charisma in a president? Bill had it, Obama had it and people still hated them. Nixon and bush didn't and people still liked them.

If you want a male example look at Ted Cruz. I've rightfully heard numerous times he has a face you just want to punch. Your girl Desh has said he can't be President because he's too ugly. Cruz has that slimy look/feel to him. It's not a double standard. Men have to deal with that sh*t as well. Go back to the first Kennedy/Nixon debate.

The thing about Cruz is nobody in Congress likes him but it's not about his face. I'm sure I don't need to list his negatives, you probably know them. The same wasn't said about Hillary when she was in Congress. She was able to work with many republicans including Gingrich, who was her husband's enemy in the 90s. That's just a fact, not partisanship.

That's just willful disbelief if you don't think Hillary has thought about running for President, and what it would take to do so, for years. Not all that different from most who run for the office.

Like I said, I read Hillary's book and other articles where she spoke about herself and she never said flat-out that she was always planning to run for president someday. But even if she did, so what? Fiorina ran, Bachmann ran and neither of those women were particularly charismatic and knowledgeable. How about Elizabeth Dole who had important state positions at the same time as her husband and also planned to run for prez, just like he did? I don't recall that being held against her.

You are free to vote for who ever you would like. You posted this article asking why people don't like Hillary. I listened to plenty of NPR and left-wing Free Speech Radio during this primary and there were numerous liberals talking about they don't trust Hillary. Not right wingers, liberals were saying this. I'd surmise many of them will probably still support Hillary in the general but they still said it.

Look at her high unfavorable ratings. They aren't coming from just Republicans.
I listen to NPR also and know there are liberals who don't like or trust Hillary. Just like many cons who don't like or trust Trump. But I see a huge gap in knowledge and experience between the two presumptive nominees and would never, ever vote for Trump. All he has going for himself is the cult of personality. If it comes down to the two of them will you hold your nose and vote for Trump?
 
Hahaha......funny how many suicides and accidents and food poisonings happened to people involved with that group of people back then.....odd indeed.....

They would never stoop to do ill to anyone, would they...?

Don't tell me you believe that drivel about suspicious deaths that's been debunked over and over again? Did you know that someone put together a list of "suspicious" deaths under bush also? If not, it's probably because liberals weren't so dumb they claimed it had to be true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
 
Nancy practically ran reagan's schedule behind the scenes and used astrology to do it. She was behind Don Regan getting the axe and the hiring/firing of other political consultants. The only difference between her and Hillary is that she didn't come out openly and say what she was doing. You should do some googling on Nancy, you might be surprised at all the influence she had.

Also, it was Bill who said if he got elected people would get two for one, not Hillary. reagan said the same thing about Nancy but not in the same words so he got a pass.



I already said that Bern calls himself a democrat socialist. My problem is when people think that puts him on a par with Marx and Lenin who really advocated a classless society where the government owned the means of production, i.e. communism. But, IMO even if by some long shot Bern got elected he could not turn the country to democratic socialism. I personally am more worried about someone like Cruz and his vision of American society and his strong belief in religious fundamentalism. There are more like Cruz than Bern in DC.

Well, I read Hillary's book and she came off as likeable. I also read Laura's, Sarah's, and Michelle Bachmann's books and they mostly came off as likeable too, Laura the most and Michelle the least IMO. How important is charisma in a president? Bill had it, Obama had it and people still hated them. Nixon and bush didn't and people still liked them.



The thing about Cruz is nobody in Congress likes him but it's not about his face. I'm sure I don't need to list his negatives, you probably know them. The same wasn't said about Hillary when she was in Congress. She was able to work with many republicans including Gingrich, who was her husband's enemy in the 90s. That's just a fact, not partisanship.



Like I said, I read Hillary's book and other articles where she spoke about herself and she never said flat-out that she was always planning to run for president someday. But even if she did, so what? Fiorina ran, Bachmann ran and neither of those women were particularly charismatic and knowledgeable. How about Elizabeth Dole who had important state positions at the same time as her husband and also planned to run for prez, just like he did? I don't recall that being held against her.


I listen to NPR also and know there are liberals who don't like or trust Hillary. Just like many cons who don't like or trust Trump. But I see a huge gap in knowledge and experience between the two presumptive nominees and would never, ever vote for Trump. All he has going for himself is the cult of personality. If it comes down to the two of them will you hold your nose and vote for Trump?

I'm well aware of the relationship Nancy and Ronald had. You have to remember Clinton's health care initiative was a massive undertaking. Not all that dissimilar from what Obama tried. Imagine if Michelle Obama were the point person for the administration on it? That's what Hillary was for Bill. And it was such a cluster f*ck the Republicans won control of the House for the first time in over 30 years.

That Bernie isn't as far left as Lenin or Marx doesn't change that he still calls himself a socialist. And when you look at things he said in the past he is not real defender of the free market. But that's neither really here nor there in regards to Hillary.

I'm sure people can make themselves seem likeable in a book. I'm going off real life here. Laura Bush never ran for President. Michelle Bachman had no personality and we see how far she got. There has to be a likeability factor of some sort to be President in the modern era (outside of Nixon). Hillary may still win but she lacks it.

I do not like Trump and will never vote for him but my feelings about Hillary have nothing to do with Trump.
 
I'm well aware of the relationship Nancy and Ronald had. You have to remember Clinton's health care initiative was a massive undertaking. Not all that dissimilar from what Obama tried. Imagine if Michelle Obama were the point person for the administration on it? That's what Hillary was for Bill. And it was such a cluster f*ck the Republicans won control of the House for the first time in over 30 years.

That Bernie isn't as far left as Lenin or Marx doesn't change that he still calls himself a socialist. And when you look at things he said in the past he is not real defender of the free market. But that's neither really here nor there in regards to Hillary.

I'm sure people can make themselves seem likeable in a book. I'm going off real life here. Laura Bush never ran for President. Michelle Bachman had no personality and we see how far she got. There has to be a likeability factor of some sort to be President in the modern era (outside of Nixon). Hillary may still win but she lacks it.

I do not like Trump and will never vote for him but my feelings about Hillary have nothing to do with Trump.

What about everything I wrote about Elizabeth Dole?
 
Don't tell me you believe that drivel about suspicious deaths that's been debunked over and over again? Did you know that someone put together a list of "suspicious" deaths under bush also? If not, it's probably because liberals weren't so dumb they claimed it had to be true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

They're not suspicious.....they were suicides and accidents and food poisonings, etc.....by the dozens...friends and business associates of the Clintons...how can you debunk dead bodies.....

And yeah, I'm aware of the Bush list.....but I don't know of any scandals that involved Bush.....yeah, a few people died of old age, the they mention Enron, the JFK assassination,
then the first Pres. Bush, then Prescott Bush.....keeps getting more ridiculous as it goes on....
 
They're not suspicious.....they were suicides and accidents and food poisonings, etc.....by the dozens...friends and business associates of the Clintons...how can you debunk dead bodies.....

And yeah, I'm aware of the Bush list.....but I don't know of any scandals that involved Bush.....yeah, a few people died of old age, the they mention Enron, the JFK assassination,
then the first Pres. Bush, then Prescott Bush.....keeps getting more ridiculous as it goes on....

No way! You're actually one of "those"?

Not sure why I'm surprised. That's fantastic, though.
 
No way! You're actually one of "those"?

Not sure why I'm surprised. That's fantastic, though.

I didn't bring it up.....and its entertaining to get a rise out of Christiefan.....

Is it not fact that all those people are dead?....nothing suspicious about 8 or 10 suicides, a few accidents, some beaten to death, food poisoning....its just a long list....thats all....hahah...
and such a variety of causes.....
Like she says, theres a list of Bush deaths too.....even more entertaining.....
 
I wasn't aware that she ran for President or got anywhere if she did.

Dole's husband Bob Dole was the Republican nominee in the US presidential election of 1996. Elizabeth Dole, who would have become First Lady had her husband won the election, received recognition for her speech at the 1996 Republican National Convention, during which she walked out into the audience while talking conversationally about her husband's qualities.

Elizabeth Dole ran for the Republican nomination in the US presidential election of 2000, but pulled out of the race in October 1999 before any of the primaries, largely due to inadequate fundraising even though a Gallup poll had her in second place in the presidential race at 11% behind George W. Bush at 60% as late as October 1999.[SUP][16][/SUP] Dole placed third—behind George W. Bush and Steve Forbes—in a large field in the Iowa Straw Poll (the first, non-binding, test of electability for the Republican Party nomination). The Iowa Straw Poll differed from the national polls where she was second only to Bush; Senator John McCain was in third place.
 
Her achievements in Congress and at the State Department can't be denied, though many will try..
:rolleyes:
Oh lord.. Friends of Syria, Libya - 2011 ( not Bengazi), silly Russian reset ( without resetting anything)..maybe Sid Blumenthal can think of a few more.
 
:rolleyes:
Oh lord.. Friends of Syria, Libya - 2011 ( not Bengazi), silly Russian reset ( without resetting anything)..maybe Sid Blumenthal can think of a few more.

It sure is easy and fun lighting a fire under Christies tail ........
 
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