Islam hates us?

I Love America said:
You seem very worried about upsetting the muslimes. Why is that? Have you ever thought that a religion that can be so easily radicalized over a few words might have a problem? Has that ever occurred to you?
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The liberals will probably blame the next Benghazi type attack, on Trump's video, er. speech.
 
Thing1 said:
You could say that about the vast majority of the world, period.

But the vast majority of the world's Muslims CONDEMN the radicals.

Do you think it helps at all for Trump & others to continue to stoke an "us vs. them" mentality about an entire religion? What end do you think that serves? Do you think it lessens the chance of terrorist attacks or radicalization?
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So if a Trump supporter straps on a suicide vest and attacks a liberal convention, you would blame it on what the liberals have been saying about Trump?? :dunno:
 
Thing1 said:
Wow.

It really takes a special kind of stupid to come up w/ that, USF. Your contributions continue to be scintillating.
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The fact that it destroys your post, doesn't mean it's incorrect in it's assertion.
I'm sorry that you're such a scardy cat.
 
Thing1 said:
There is ample information on the internet regarding the contradictions and general unreliability of that Pew study.

I really wonder what the poll results would be in America for carpet-bombing areas of the Middle East without regard to civilian casualties, or something equally as violent against Muslims? I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least 20% support.
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you'll have no disagreement from me that we have a lot of psychotic people that wont to blow children up in our country. the difference between you and me is I don't conclude most religions are good. I conclude the opposite.
 
Thing1 said:
It certainly doesn't accomplish the bolded.

All it really does it give us some insight into your thought process. You should know that. Try to be better.
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But it does destroy your post and that's why you're so desperate to make the attempt to deny it.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But it does destroy your post and that's why you're so desperate to make the attempt to deny it.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't.

We can start at the most basic level: the premise that marginalization is connected to radicalization.

Do you dispute that very basic psychological concept, and if you do, why & what is your proof of that?
 
Thing1 said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't.

We can start at the most basic level: the premise that marginalization is connected to radicalization.

Do you dispute that very basic psychological concept, and if you do, why & what is your proof of that?
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Thing, there are any number of groups of people, both here and abroad, that are marginalized. Yes, some of them get dangerous, but not nearly as frequently as Muslims do. It's exceedingly rare in the former instance and all too common in the latter.

What do you suppose explains the discrepancy?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Thing, there are any number of groups of people, both here and abroad, that are marginalized. Yes, some of them get dangerous, but not nearly as frequently as Muslims do. It's exceedingly rare in the former instance and all too common in the latter.

What do you suppose explains the discrepancy?
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The bolded is a complete generalization. There are many hate groups in America & we have seen a great deal of violence from those groups over the past century (and don't act like it's all "ancient history"). Most join these groups because they feel marginalized - either ideologically or financially or otherwise.

It's hardly "just Muslims." Please.
 
Thing1 said:
The bolded is a complete generalization. There are many hate groups in America & we have seen a great deal of violence from those groups over the past century (and don't act like it's all "ancient history"). Most join these groups because they feel marginalized - either ideologically or financially or otherwise.

It's hardly "just Muslims." Please.
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You won't accept that Muslims engage in terror more frequently than other groups. Makes it impossible to have a conversation about it. Which is about where most of the country is at.
 
Thing1 said:
Unfortunately, it doesn't.

We can start at the most basic level: the premise that marginalization is connected to radicalization.

Do you dispute that very basic psychological concept, and if you do, why & what is your proof of that?
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I can see that you desperately don't want it be true; but using your "logic", it is absolutely proof that liberal marginalization would be to blame for any radicalization of Trump supporters.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I can see that you desperately don't want it be true; but using your "logic", it is absolutely proof that liberal marginalization would be to blame for any radicalization of Trump supporters.
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Hmmmm....was that an answer to my question?

I don't think it was. Would you like to try again?
 
Here is the question, USF (once again):

We can start at the most basic level: the premise that marginalization is connected to radicalization.

Do you dispute that very basic psychological concept, and if you do, why & what is your proof of that?
 
Thing1 said:
Hmmmm....was that an answer to my question?

I don't think it was. Would you like to try again?
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Are you going to try to once again try to convince yourself that my comparison was correct??
I'll understand if you continue to run from your own "logic".
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Are you going to try to once again try to convince yourself that my comparison was correct??
I'll understand if you continue to run from your own "logic".
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LOL

You can't answer.

Just so you know, I'll tell you why you can't answer: the idea that marginalization is connected to radicalization is not "Thing1 logic." It is an established principle in the field of psychology, with literally thousands of years of historical evidence as empirical proof.

So, you lost. Now, dazzle me w/ one of your incisive "too bad, so sad" rejoinders.
 
Thing1 said:
LOL

You can't answer.

Just so you know, I'll tell you why you can't answer: the idea that marginalization is connected to radicalization is not "Thing1 logic." It is an established principle in the field of psychology, with literally thousands of years of historical evidence as empirical proof.

So, you lost. Now, dazzle me w/ one of your incisive "too bad, so sad" rejoinders.
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LOL

If you had bothered to read AND comprehend what I posted; you would have seen that my references to Trump supporters attacking a liberal convention, was a direct correlation to your presentation of marginalization and radicalization.
My question to you, that you ran from, asked if that meant that liberals would be responsible if such an incident were to occur; but you were so intent on trying to play a gotcha moment, that you failed to realize that you hooked yourself.

The fact that I wouldn't answer you, the way you wanted me to; doesn't mean that I couldn't. :D
I was enjoying watching you twist yourself in a knot, while trying to run from your own "logic".

I thoroughly enjoy it when liberals make a blanket statement and then they run, like a dog with it's ass on fire, when their own words bite them in the ass.

LOL
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
LOL

If you had bothered to read AND comprehend what I posted; you would have seen that my references to Trump supporters attacking a liberal convention, was a direct correlation to your presentation of marginalization and radicalization.
My question to you, that you ran from, asked if that meant that liberals would be responsible if such an incident were to occur; but you were so intent on trying to play a gotcha moment, that you failed to realize that you hooked yourself.

The fact that I wouldn't answer you, the way you wanted me to; doesn't mean that I couldn't. :D
I was enjoying watching you twist yourself in a knot, while trying to run from your own "logic".

I thoroughly enjoy it when liberals make a blanket statement and then they run, like a dog with it's ass on fire, when their own words bite them in the ass.

LOL
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Nope. Unfortunately, you ran from my question. Your scenario was the "gotcha" - not mine.

You tried to simplify an established psychological concept to fit your ideology. Are there radical groups actively trying to recruit Trump supporters who feel marginalized? How else do Trump supporters feel marginalized...are there aspects of poverty and socialization that are involved? What other motivation was there for a Trump supporter to explode a bomb and commit violence? And so on.

Again: do you disagree w/ the established psychological premise that marginalization is connected to radicalization? If you don't agree, why not - and can you back that up with any other established psychological principles?

C'mon, USF. Show me that you have a glimmer of intelligence, and try to discuss this topic with genuine thought, instead of your usual puerile & lame "gotcha" attempts.
 
I should add, your inane premise assumes that I "blame" Trump for terrorist attacks. I don't.

But I do believe that continuing to foster an "us vs. them" mentality, and stoking hate for Muslims, and creating isolation for an entire religion, DOES make those on the fringes of that group more susceptible to radicalization.

And again - this is established psychological fact.

So, I've answered your question. Answer mine.
 
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