Islam hates us?

I Love America said:
Yes I hate islam

It is not a religion. It is a political ideology hell bent on world conquest. That you don't believe it is a threat to us all. In fact you are probably a bigger threat than muslimes. Keep your head in the sand it will be easier for them to cut it off.
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Your hate & "us vs. them" mindset make us much less safe than anything I could do.

You're just too insufferably stupid to realize it, and how wrong you are about 10's of millions of people.
 
I Love America said:
Tell me 10 things islam has in common with you
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I probably could come up with ten but will give you three off the top of my head that I know I have in common with the 2 Muslim friends I have.

We don't believe in "original sin"
Homosexuality is sin
Adultery/fornication is sin

I do believe that you can find more Muslims in the world who are prone to believe that you should resort to violence to impose punishment on wrongdoers or unbelievers (infidels) [see Grind's previous post in this thread] than you can Christians, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any "Christians" who don't believe the same. But I refuse to marginalized an entire group of people based on the beliefs/actions of what continues to be a minority. That doesn't mean that I don't think we should be vigilant about their coming to this country, which is another thing my two Muslim friends and I agree on...or have in common. One is a second generation and the other is a third generation American.
 
leaningright said:
I probably could come up with ten but will give you three off the top of my head that I know I have in common with the 2 Muslim friends I have.

We don't believe in "original sin"
Homosexuality is sin
Adultery/fornication is sin

I do believe that you can find more Muslims in the world who are prone to believe that you should resort to violence to impose punishment on wrongdoers or unbelievers (infidels) [see Grind's previous post in this thread] than you can Christians, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any "Christians" who don't believe the same. But I refuse to marginalized an entire group of people based on the beliefs/actions of what continues to be a minority. That doesn't mean that I don't think we should be vigilant about their coming to this country, which is another thing my two Muslim friends and I agree on...or have in common. One is a second generation and the other is a third generation American.
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A very smart & reasoned response.

I'm not advocating Islam w/ this thread or trying to say there isn't an issue with radicals. I just know too many Muslims, and know that this kind of rhetoric from Trump does. It's irresponsible & reckless.

I have a lot of issues w/ Islam, just as I have issues w/ most organized religions in general (I know you don't, and obviously, I don't think you should feel the way I do about that). But most people are good people. Most people are non-violent. Most people readily condemn those who resort to violence, no matter what the reasons or associations.

The kind of hate & intolerance that Trump puts out there just creates a cycle that perpetuates until enough people say "enough."
 
Thing1 said:
I wanted to address this stupidity & ignorance (which seems impossible) as well.

In any religion at all - and it doesn't have to be a religion; it can be any group that has any kind of belief or set of tenets - there are people on the fringe, whether due to poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, marginalization based on being an outsider or perceived as such, or any and all of the above. THOSE people are vulnerable to radicalization, because they're desperate.

It's not some Muslim businessman or housewife who hears what Trump says & decides to jump ship. That's an impossibly stupid interpretation.
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Well, one of the San Bernadino shooters was a housewife and her husband had some sort of job.

But when comparing radicalized Christians vs Muslims there's the matter of frequency. Islam is a no-contest winner in that regard.

Regarding the OP and Trumps comments: Muslims aren't Islam; the former is a group of people and the latter is a religion. The fact is, it can easily be argued that Islam 'hates' us. Trump, as usual, crossed a PC line but what he said isn't demonstrably untrue. The fact is many people agree with him, including an untold Muslims abroad and without question, some living amongst us.

Leave it to Trump to initiate an over due conversation, like he did with the border and immigration.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Regarding the OP and Trumps comments: Muslims aren't Islam; the former is a group of people and the latter is a religion. The fact is, it can easily be argued that Islam 'hates' us. Trump, as usual, crossed a PC line but what he said isn't demonstrably untrue. The fact is many people agree with him, including an untold Muslims abroad and without question, some living amongst us. Leave it to Trump to initiate an over due conversation, like he did with the border and immigration.
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You admit agreeing with him, lol?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, one of the San Bernadino shooters was a housewife and her husband had some sort of job.

But when comparing radicalized Christians vs Muslims there's the matter of frequency. Islam is a no-contest winner in that regard.

Regarding the OP and Trumps comments: Muslims aren't Islam; the former is a group of people and the latter is a religion. The fact is, it can easily be argued that Islam 'hates' us. Trump, as usual, crossed a PC line but what he said isn't demonstrably untrue. The fact is many people agree with him, including an untold Muslims abroad and without question, some living amongst us.

Leave it to Trump to initiate an over due conversation, like he did with the border and immigration.
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In the last century, there has been MANY more instances of violence on our soil by so-called Christians than by Muslims.

Re: that last line - as long as we continue to celebrate demagoguery, we'll continue to get it. I don't really care that many people "agree" with him. Sadly, in the past year, I have come to realize that many more people are of below-average intelligence than I previously suspected.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
It's against our religion, lol. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
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Too bad more Christians aren't Christ-like, lol.

A 28 year-old Philadelphia-area man admitted he stoned to death a 70 year-old man because the Bible says to stone homosexuals. John Joe Thomas reportedly killed Murray Joseph Seidman, whom he knew, and told police, “I stoned Murray with a rock in a sock,” because he had read in the Bible that gays should be stoned.

According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, “The young man and Seidman were often seen together grocery shopping and going to church,” and “He then described how he placed batteries and rocks in a sock, and hit Seidman in the head at least 10 times.”

Think about this. Gays are being stoned to death in 21st century America. Actually, we don’t even know if the man who was stoned was gay, but his murderer thought he was.



http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/70-year-old-stoned-to-death-because-the-bible-says-to-stone-gays/news/2011/03/18/18138
 
Thing1 said:
Screw this guy. Muslims have fought & died for the American military. There are millions of patriotic American Muslims. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims around the world who have nothing to do with radicalism.

This is such irresponsible, hate-stoking BS - and coming from someone who wants to be our President.

I don't think people realize how extraordinarily important it is that this man not be elected.
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Tell that to the 9-11 survivors in New York City.

Trump is going to be president whether you fucking left wing ignorant retards like it or not.

Don't worry. You're welfare checks will come in a little while longer. By then, the new jobs will be here and you won't have so much fucking time on your hands.

But you WILL have to put down your fucking crack pipe.
 
Would those be the 9/11 survivors that Trump ignored when they asked for his help?

 When it came to actually doing something for the people who fought and fought amid the smell of death, Donald Trump has done nothing. Maybe worse than nothing—he’s ignored them.

With the 2016 campaign in full swing, 9/11 first responders were desperately trying to get Congress to extend the health benefits they had won in a 2010 bill. Without Congress reauthorizing the program, doctors couldn’t plan on the continuity of care for some 33,000 ailing responders, many with cancers caused by the toxins at Ground Zero. Many had already died.

Citizens for the Extension of the James Zadroga Act, a coalition of 9/11 first responders, survivors, advocates, and unions, sent letters to all the presidential candidates, asking them to urge Congress to pass the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act.

 Trump didn’t even bother to respond to the letter, or to a second letter, much less support the bill on his own.

“As a lifelong New Yorker, I fully expected Donald Trump to respond back,” Richard Alles of the Uniform Fire Officers Association said. “I was shocked when he didn’t.

“Now he’s talking about the heroism and how great New Yorkers are, and he wants to be leader of our nation—but he can’t even answer a simple yes-or-no question?



http://www.thenation.com/article/trump-gets-debate-bounce-from-new-yorkers-911-courage-but-ignored-first-responders-when-they-needed-him/
 
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