Happy Trayvon Martin Day

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
I am about done with your redundant nonsense. If you want to have an actual discussion try to be specific. On what am I speculating? The timeframe? Nope. The distance that Zimmerman claimed to be travelling? Nope. Where he claimed to encounter Martin and where the body, cellphone? Nope, nope, nope. I have not speculated at all except to suggest some of the numerous alternatives to your speculation.
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You've done nothing but speculate. You've taken the same information that everyone else has, stirred in some assumptions and conjecture, and tried to pass it off as the stone cold truth.

The transcript from the dispatcher does not show that he was returning to his vehicle. I am not sure what in it you think does or how you expect it could offer any conclusive proof. At no point during the conversation did Zimmerman say he was returning to his vehicle or would be, but even if he had it would just be his word.
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There's also nothing to suggest that he wasn't returning; especially since he told them where he was parked and tried to arrange it so the responding officers and him could meet.
But you want to dismiss the entire situation, by passing it off as "...but even if he had it would just be his word...".
Which suggests that you're already convinced that you know everything and anything else is to be ignored.

The phone records used in the prosecutions case have been released. I don't know to what you are referring.
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My mistake. What isn't being released are the medical records of Martin’s girlfriend who lied under oath when she said she was so ill after Martin’s death that she was hospitalized and couldn’t attend his wake or funeral.
But since she supposedly intends to recant that lie, the prosecution is giving her a pass; even though SHE'S A LIAR.

You are not paying attention. 3:20 in 3:20-3:45 is not a reference to a point in the call. It is the amount of total time, as in three minutes and twenty seconds, between the point when Zimmerman acknowledges that he need not follow Martin and the time he encountered Martin. He was was on the phone for 1:40 after acknowledging that he need not follow Martin. That is enough time to walk the 200 feet across the top of the tee and back.
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At 2 minutes and 24 seconds into the call with dispatch, is when the dispatcher tells him that he doesn't need to follow Martin.
He is on the phone with the dispather, for another 1 minute and 43 seconds.
The initial call was at 7:09:34, ended at around 7:13:04, the first calls reporting gunfire were around 7:16 and the Police arrived a 7:17.
But somehow you've concluded that Zimmerman was doing who knows what because he didn't run back to his truck.
Now who's speculating?

Again you are not paying attention. Zimmerman's claims in the reenactment dispel this. He claimed he left his vehicle and walked along the "cut through" in his odd quest to find the street sign on the other side. He says he paused but he does not mention just standing around or that he was walking very slowly. Why would he?
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He said he was PARKED in front of the cut-through and didn't know the address.
Now he's supposed to give the dispatcher a second by second accounting to each and every thing he's doing!! :palm:

It's 200 feet.

http://www.constitutionaldaily.com/...ayvon-martin-shooting&catid=42:news&Itemid=71

Hardly a Zimmerman hate sight, but the scale is useful.
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Then why did you say 300 feet?
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
...Why he was only able to travel 300 feet in 3:20-3:45...
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Or do you intend to now change more of your assertions?

The OP in your link, provides a bunch of "if's" but it also makes a comment on:
"The problem for the prosecution is that the call ended at about 7:05pm. Martin wasn't shot until about 7:25. He could have walked the entire neighborhood in that time. What was Martin doing for those 20 minutes if not tracking down Zimmerman?"

Why are so desperate to find Zimmerman guilty?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
If you would bother to follow the chronological order of the events, you wouldn't be so confused. A generalized accusation bearing no substance....typical USFreedom911 bluff.
You made a statement, about the withdrawal of the defense, and then seem confused as to why; when the answer was right in front of you. Either you cannot read or you're lying.....I merely pointed out that the defense withdrew it's "stand-your-ground" ploy, and then put forth an article explaning what they did and why...the chronology of the posts shows this.
Either you were being willfully ignorant, or else have reading comprehension problems. It's pathetic when YOU can only mimic what others say to make up for your own lack of knowledge and intellectual cowardice during a discussion.
I'll leave the reason up to you to decide. Reason based on ALL the FACTS...something YOU seem to avoid like the plague.

He explains to the dispatcher why he didn't want to give his home address; but you decide to build a strawman and call it cagey.

The "explanation" was dubious at best....who did he suspect was listening in on a 911 telephone call? Remember, he had NUMEROUS previous calls on record....why all of a sudden shy...especially after he gave specific local references to meet the cops?
He got out of the car; because the thug Martin had gone in a direction that following him in the car was impossible.

A high school infraction and some facebook bravado does not make a person a "thug"...you need a serious JD record for that, which Martin did not have. And again: since he was told NOT to continue following Martin, why get out of the car? He had already reported the incident, was told the cops were on their way and had given a rendevous point?
He wasn't in his car, yet, and with no idea how far away the officers were, it makes sense to have them contact him.

the transcripts time line makes you out to be a liar on this part. The 911 transcript has Zimmerman tracking Martin at two locations, then seeing him run away...Then zimmerman is told not to follow, and Zimmerman gives location as to where to meet, but is cagey about his home address? Why get out of the car, if he's a seasoned neighborhood watch guy? Why not just drive to the meeting location? Sorry, but his story is just plain fishy...your supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.

Your desire to have Zimmerman convicted of shooting a Black thug is undeniable and all you've done is present supposition and conjecture, which the chronologic order of the posts show.
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Your bluff and bluster aside, your prejudice is plain for all to see, as you categorize Martin as a "black thug" when there is no evidence to support that contention. Again, The 911 transcript has Zimmerman tracking Martin at two locations, then seeing him run away...Then zimmerman is told not to follow, and Zimmerman gives location as to where to meet, but is cagey about his home address? Why get out of the car, if he's a seasoned neighborhood watch guy? Why not just drive to the meeting location? Sorry, but his story is just plain fishy...your supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.
 
Sir Digby Chicken Caesar said:
No, I am not concerned at all. Superfreak provided a source speculating on it several pages ago. It is not relevant and there is no proof of your claims that he stalked or attacked Zimmerman.

He knew had a gun? Wtf?

The trial is not going to go over Trayvon's story but George's.
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Also, where is the "proof" that Martin had ample time to run home? By the logistics and Zimmerman's own dubious tale, Martin was evading a creepy stranger tailing him in a van.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Your bluff and bluster aside, your prejudice is plain for all to see, as you categorize Martin as a "black thug" when there is no evidence to support that contention. Again, The 911 transcript has Zimmerman tracking Martin at two locations, then seeing him run away...Then zimmerman is told not to follow, and Zimmerman gives location as to where to meet, but is cagey about his home address? Why get out of the car, if he's a seasoned neighborhood watch guy? Why not just drive to the meeting location? Sorry, but his story is just plain fishy...your supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.
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The chronological order of the posts show that you're just taking a desperate path, in order to try and justify your own bias's.

I've never referred to Martin as a "black thug"; but he was a thug, trying to live the thug life.

Zimmerman gave the reason he didn't want to give out his address; but your myopic view of the facts have blinded you to be able to acknowledge the truth and therefore, you have to rely on assumption, assertions, and false accusations.

Martin died while attacking Zimmerman, after stalking him.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Your bluff and bluster aside, your prejudice is plain for all to see, as you categorize Martin as a "black thug" when there is no evidence to support that contention. Again, The 911 transcript has Zimmerman tracking Martin at two locations, then seeing him run away...Then zimmerman is told not to follow, and Zimmerman gives location as to where to meet, but is cagey about his home address? Why get out of the car, if he's a seasoned neighborhood watch guy? Why not just drive to the meeting location? Sorry, but his story is just plain fishy...your supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.
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The chronological order of the posts show that you're just taking a desperate path, in order to try and justify your own bias's.

More empty rhetoric from USFreedom911 when he cannot logically and factually refute or disprove someone who dismantles his assertions and claims.
I've never referred to Martin as a "black thug"; but he was a thug, trying to live the thug life.

Either USFreedom911 is a psychotic liar or drunk, as the chronology of the posts shows him stating, "He got out of the car; because the thug Martin" & " Your desire to have Zimmerman convicted of shooting a Black thug ". Nowhere did I refer to Martin as a "thug", nor did I make the moot point of his color, as the chronology of the posts shows. Again, a high school infraction and some facebook bravado does not make a person a "thug"...you need a serious JD record for that, which Martin did not have.
Zimmerman gave the reason he didn't want to give out his address; but your myopic view of the facts have blinded you to be able to acknowledge the truth and therefore, you have to rely on assumption, assertions, and false accusations.

Again, Zimmerman's reason is bogus because he is ON RECORD as having made numerous calls to 911 previously, and was KNOWN to the local precinct. He is ALONE, in his car....who is going to listen in? He made a rendevous point with the cops, so he's not about making an anonymous tip to the cops. Again, basic logical analysis of ALL the facts makes Zimmerman's tale dubious at best, your insipidly stubborn supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.
Martin died while attacking Zimmerman, after stalking him.
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An absurd conclusion on UsFreedom's part, given ALL the facts reviewed.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Your bluff and bluster aside, your prejudice is plain for all to see, as you categorize Martin as a "black thug" when there is no evidence to support that contention. Again, The 911 transcript has Zimmerman tracking Martin at two locations, then seeing him run away...Then zimmerman is told not to follow, and Zimmerman gives location as to where to meet, but is cagey about his home address? Why get out of the car, if he's a seasoned neighborhood watch guy? Why not just drive to the meeting location? Sorry, but his story is just plain fishy...your supposition and conjecture non-withstanding.
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Thats funny.....Zimmermans's story is " f i s h y " according to you.....and you accuse USF of conjecture and supposition ?.....

Don't you find that somewhat hypocritical ?
 
NOVA said:
Thats funny.....Zimmermans's story is " f i s h y " according to you.....and you accuse USF of conjecture and supposition ?.....

Don't you find that somewhat hypocritical ?
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Not in the least, being that I put forth FACTS and logical analysis as to why Zimmerman's story just doesn't add up. Deal with it.
 
can't wait till the 4 year anniversary coming up soon :D

and this thread was before he was FOUND NOT GUILTY!!!!

Also look at rana's naivete thinking I didn't actually think trayvon deserved to die.

simpler times I suppose :)
 
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