Why I've come full circle, Trump for Republican nomination!

Celticguy said:
You have a knack of ignoring the obvious.
DC lurched left years ago and only kept running. Only younger people do not know this.
But the BIG point you are ignoring and it appears under his name a lot (and I made a post about this month's ago) he is about making America great AGAIN.
That means first returning us to prosperity from the under 1 % growth your team got us.
Forget homosexuals and all the petty distractions and get back to defending our borders and enabling prosperity.
This is the conservative way and nobody (maybe Noot and Romney a little) has been doing this.
That's the origin of his popularity and the reason the donkeys can't touch him.
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If DC lurched left it's because of who the voters sent to DC!
 
cawacko said:
Except he's not talking about doing it the conservative way unless your argument is conservatism has always been equivalent to populism which I would argue it hasn't been.
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Trump is definitely the populist- but what Celtic is alluding to is that Trump is pro border control, pro guns, pro common sense solutions to terrorism, and pro business. In this way he attracts the everyday American. The trouble for conservatives is that his rhetoric and methodology aren't establishment enough. There's no quid pro co with Trump- there's no controlling his horse. Again, this is the appeal that a populist has.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Hillary is no conservative lol. It would four more years of Obama. Maybe with an emphasis on women as victims instead of blacks. A sign of radicalism is instigating strife amongst blocs of voters. It's been a terrible thing for the country and we're starting to reap the whirlwind on account of it.

Trump's magic with the republican rank and file is that he's conservative where it matters most. Even many evangelicals [they know Trump doesn't know which testament the book of Job belongs in] would hold their nose on that aspect because immigration is such a problem it over rides their usual concerns in a candidate. Ditto on national defense. Same with trade policy and the economy.

The Republican establishment lost touch with the rank and file. They are actually surprised that so many people feel that it's reprehensible that the most powerful country on the planet can't/won't secure its own damn borders. Maybe it's because the establishment types jobs aren't threatened by illegals.

But yeah, Trump is a bit of smorgasbord beyond his conservative strong suits. The democrats will no doubt double-down on the Trump is a xenophobic hater blah-blah-blah rhetoric. They seem oblivious to the fact that illegal immigrants take democrats jobs too.
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Hillary who voted for the Iraq War and is in bed with the big banks is very conservative.

Are you really so gullible as to believe Trumps revient conversion to his "conservative strong suits"?
 
Jarod said:
Hillary who voted for the Iraq War and is in bed with the big banks is very conservative.

Are you really so gullible as to believe Trumps revient conversion to his "conservative strong suits"?
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Obama bombs the shit out of brown people and is in bed with unions, banks and whole host of 1% ers, what's that make him in your book?
 
J Craft said:
Trump is definitely the populist- but what Celtic is alluding to is that Trump is pro border control, pro guns, pro common sense solutions to terrorism, and pro business. In this way he attracts the everyday American. The trouble for conservatives is that his rhetoric and methodology aren't establishment enough. There's no quid pro co with Trump- there's no controlling his horse. Again, this is the appeal that a populist has.
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Trump has been pro those things, as you see them, only since he decided to try for the Republican nomination. If you chose to believe in his conversion... Over the Republicans who have been for those things for many years... Go for it. I suspect Trumps run to the left will be obvious as so am the nomination is lead.
 
J Craft said:
Trump is definitely the populist- but what Celtic is alluding to is that Trump is pro border control, pro guns, pro common sense solutions to terrorism, and pro business. In this way he attracts the everyday American. The trouble for conservatives is that his rhetoric and methodology aren't establishment enough. There's no quid pro co with Trump- there's no controlling his horse. Again, this is the appeal that a populist has.
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I would argue his anti trade and tarrif rhetoric are not pro business. I would not say his 'I will force Apple to bring jobs back here' is pro business. Nor would I say his anti constitutional rhetoric is conservative at all. Nor would I say his I'm going to ban all Muslims rhetoric is conservative.

It's straight populism.
 
cawacko said:
I would argue his anti trade and tarrif rhetoric are not pro business. I would not say his 'I will force Apple to bring jobs back here' is pro business. Nor would I say his anti constitutional rhetoric is conservative at all. Nor would I say his I'm going to ban all Muslims rhetoric is conservative.

It's straight populism.
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I didn't claim he was a conservative.
His tax plan https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
 
cawacko said:
I know you didn't. To each his own man if you support Trump that's fine with me. I'm just not a fan. I don't like how he presents what he stands for and I don't like what his effect will be on the Republican Party.
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I don't like how he presents or what he stands for... but I do like the effect it's having on the Republican Party.
 
cawacko said:
I know you didn't. To each his own man if you support Trump that's fine with me. I'm just not a fan. I don't like how he presents what he stands for and I don't like what his effect will be on the Republican Party.
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At this stage I'm Rubio. But I'm pro Trump if the choice is him over either democrat contender. No vote, is a vote for Hillary/Bernie - and I can't give them support, even passive support.
 
J Craft said:
At this stage I'm Rubio. But I'm pro Trump if the choice is him over either democrat contender. No vote, is a vote for Hillary/Bernie - and I can't give them support, even passive support.
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Rubio is not even eligible.
 
Jarod said:
Hillary who voted for the Iraq War and is in bed with the big banks is very conservative.

Are you really so gullible as to believe Trumps revient conversion to his "conservative strong suits"?
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Wall Street could flip a coin over Hillary or Jeb, so your first point is pointless. The establishment on both sides sleeps with a lot of the same people. They're political whores. Why do think so many people hate the establishment?

You're question is why I'm not 100% behind Trump. There's a lot to like about him but I wish I trusted him more.

Did you believe all that crap Obama laid down before he was elected lol? I sure as hell didn't. And if you believe Hillary you're beyond hope.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Wall Street could flip a coin over Hillary or Jeb, so your first point is pointless. The establishment on both sides sleeps with a lot of the same people. They're political whores. Why do think so many people hate the establishment?

You're question is why I'm not 100% behind Trump. There's a lot to like about him but I wish I trusted him more.

Did you believe all that crap Obama laid down before he was elected lol? I sure as hell didn't. And if you believe Hillary you're beyond hope.
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well your scum blocked everything his government tried to do .


You even said it out loud and BROKE obstruction records in the government bodies.


how was Obama to know you evil racist scum were just that evil
 
evince said:
well your scum blocked everything his government tried to do .


You even said it out loud and BROKE obstruction records in the government bodies.


how was Obama to know you evil racist scum were just that evil
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I don't know why I'm doing this. But what did obama want that he didn't get? Anything that was specifically blocked by the GOP? And for the record, that's pretty much the definition of OPPOSITION PARTY, and it's why the democrat party lost 2 elections in a row, and most of the states are now governed by the GOP. So if anyone is standing in the way of "progress"(or "recovery from democrats", as I refer to it), its obama and people like you.
 
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