I thought the end of the Conservative party would look different.

Jarod said:
The Democratic party embraces some liberal ideals. HRC is not really a liberal, except on some politically expedient social issues. I suspect she would appoint liberals to the Supreme Court. If the Libertarian's would adopt socially libertarian ideas they would be more liberal than the Democrats, in my opinion. Their general position on Abortion is however very conservative. The modern libertarian movement is being used as a shill for Corporate interests.
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Everything is political expediency for Hillary. If the wind changes direction against gay marriage today, tomorrow she's going to advocate for traditional marriage.

But it's telling you don't perceive Hillary to be a liberal. It's telling in the sense it shows how far the Dem party has lurched to the left. What sucks for conservatives is they drug the Republican Party right along with them. Which explains, the rise of Trump and Cruz; the former representing the Middle Finger of the republican rank and file directed at the face of the RNC and the establishment; the latter being a reminder to them of what a conservative actually looks like.

After 2008 and 2012, they certainly need reminded. It also explain the demise of their boy Jeb Bush.

Everyone is talking about the end of the Republican Party, when the better question is what in the hell happened to the Democrat party, which exists in name only. JFK wouldn't recognize it. They're so far gone it's possible they could nominate a socialist---and nobody even blinks an eye. Even 20 years ago, there would have been a rebellion within the party over it like there is now in the Republican Party.
 
Jarod said:
I can understand your argument and your point and clearly Government is complicit. Good Government, run by true liberals would not be complicit, but we have conservative Democrats and we have Republicans. Private industry must be restrained or we end up with the 1920's all over again.
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This post is a complete crock of shit and shows a serious lack of history.
 
kaz said:
Fascists don't support capitalism, Holmes. The government controls the economy, it doesn't provide free choice. They are socialists like you are.

Capitalism is economic freedom, consumers, suppliers, employers, employees, all make their own best free choices. Pure liberalism.

I'm not sure why leftists can't grasp that companies being controlled by government controlling the economy isn't a free market. The word "free" just doesn't process to you.
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For some reason leftists have this insatiable love of government as if people who go into government are somehow pure and people who go into business for the "profit motive" are bad. I have friends who like to brag that they worked at a "non profit" in their younger years and they say it as if it is some sort of noble calling. Of course I ask them "did you work at the non profit for free?". The answer of course is NO. And of course when you explain to them that non profit is merely nothing but a tax designation, they look at you with glazed eyes. They are sweet people, but disjointed politically
 
I Love America said:
For some reason leftists have this insatiable love of government as if people who go into government are somehow pure and people who go into business for the "profit motive" are bad. I have friends who like to brag that they worked at a "non profit" in their younger years and they say it as if it is some sort of noble calling. Of course I ask them "did you work at the non profit for free?". The answer of course is NO. And of course when you explain to them that non profit is merely nothing but a tax designation, they look at you with glazed eyes. They are sweet people, but disjointed politically
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guess who else preferred government to the fail sauce you embrace?


the founders
 
you evil traitors to this nation will not be allowed to rewrite history.


Your propaganda sites are not acceptable as history you dupe
 
Jarod said:
The Democratic party embraces some liberal ideals. HRC is not really a liberal, except on some politically expedient social issues. I suspect she would appoint liberals to the Supreme Court. If the Libertarian's would adopt socially libertarian ideas they would be more liberal than the Democrats, in my opinion. Their general position on Abortion is however very conservative. The modern libertarian movement is being used as a shill for Corporate interests.
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It is not a liberal idea, in the classical sense, to grow government.
 
I Love America said:
Go read the history of the crash and what led up to it.

Also read about Herbert Hoovers response to the crash. It wasn't laissez faire economics it was Keynesian all the way.

Here is a nice little read for ya, but you have to have the courage to want to learn something different

http://fee.org/freeman/the-depression-youve-never-heard-of-1920-1921/
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Ill check out your link, but I have studied the 1920's a lot. The roaring 20's and the effect the large corporate monopolies had on our economy.

Im interested in what you think, in your own words.. not some link you read. What is incorrect about my post and what led to the crash?
 
Jarod said:
It depends, it is not in and of itself a liberal idea to grow government.
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American liberalism is nothing like classical liberalism...nothing like it. American liberalism is authoritarian and statist. Classical liberalism is libertarian and small government.
 
its he ideas not the labels


we are the liberals


you are the ones who hate he founders and this countrys government
 
J Craft said:
American liberalism is nothing like classical liberalism...nothing like it. American liberalism is authoritarian and statist. Classical liberalism is libertarian and small government.
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I disagree, American liberalism is certainty not pure classic liberalism, its modified. American liberalism is not authoritarian in theory, it is sometimes so in practice. Classical Liberalism is not necessarily small government. When Government is necessary to restrain authoritarianism from outside factors, Corporatism or organized crime or others, Government must protect the liberty of the people. Some call that protection Big Government, maybe it is, but its necessary for Classic or American Liberalism to exist.
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal


Full Definition of liberal

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1
a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education>

b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth

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a : marked by generosity : openhanded <a liberal giver>

b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal>

c : ample, full

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3
obsolete : lacking moral restraint : licentious

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: not literal or strict : loose <a liberal translation>

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5
: broad-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

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a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism

b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
 
evince said:
then why did it happen in 1929 and 2007?


because your economic ideas are complete fail sauce
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So in the 1990s, we opposed government forcing banks to lower their credit standards. In 2007 when the bubble burst we opposed bailing the banks out. And this is all our fault...
 
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