French PM Manuel Valls says refugee crisis is 'destabilising' Europe

Mott the Hoople said:
Since when is doing your Christian duty and extending a Christian hand of love and benevolence to those less fortunate than us who are trying to escape war and terror committing cultural suicide?

Your comment is not only un-Christian, given Christian principles, and un-American, given American history and values, it's simply based on bigotry and fear or those whom are different than you. Besides, you're region of West Virginia is one of the inbred regions most desperately in need of the new genome these immigrants would provide.

Just think of the social, cultural, educational, not to mention genetic benefit of marrying your sons and daughters to these children of Mohammed? :)
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Demon children?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's not bullshit. This power vacuum in the middle east needs to be fixed and we can't just send these people back there and to argue that the well proven fact that emigration is a time tested and proven method of undermining radicalized mass movements is simply denying reality.

Can and should the U.S. do more to help? Hell yea....we could take up to a million of these refugees, distribute them throughout the country and hardly even notice it.
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I'm curious where this has been applied as a well tested fact
 
cawacko said:
Dude, these people aren't assimilating into the culture. That's the problem and it's not new. I'm not saying Europe should have no immigration but this idea that the numbers don't matter is flat out wrong.
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No one is saying that and if the people are not assimilating than it's because they are not providing the resources to help them assimilate. You have to look at this strategically. No one is saying these factors don't matter. I'm saying that from a geopolitical and strategic standpoint we need to use all tools we have to undermine the radicalized mass movements that are occurring in these regions and emphasizing THE FACT that emigration/immigration is simple one of the best methods there is to do so and one of the best methods to make the situation worse in those radicalized regions is to send those people back. Pandora's box is open. We need to do what is our best interest, from a nation security standpoint and we need to do the right thing from a humanitarian standpoint.

Are you, or anyone, actually suggesting sending these refugees back where a very large number of them are assured to either die or be killed or be radicalized into enemy combatants that we will have to fight? That's insanity. It's stupid beyond belief. Think this through!!
 
annata said:
I'm curious where this has been applied as a well tested fact
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Most obvious one would be in eastern Europe during the cold war era, mass emigration was an essential tool in undermining Communist regimes. Germany particularly used it effectively. Why do you think the Berlin wall was constructed?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No one is saying that and if the people are not assimilating than it's because they are not providing the resources to help them assimilate. You have to look at this strategically. No one is saying these factors don't matter. I'm saying that from a geopolitical and strategic standpoint we need to use all tools we have to undermine the radicalized mass movements that are occurring in these regions and emphasizing THE FACT that emigration/immigration is simple one of the best methods there is to do so and one of the best methods to make the situation worse in those radicalized regions is to send those people back. Pandora's box is open. We need to do what is our best interest, from a nation security standpoint and we need to do the right thing from a humanitarian standpoint.

Are you, or anyone, actually suggesting sending these refugees back where a very large number of them are assured to either die or be killed or be radicalized into enemy combatants that we will have to fight? That's insanity. It's stupid beyond belief. Think this through!!
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it's not that simple, many aren't radicalized but exist under ISIS rule - not happily -but do exist. ISISI is an occupier and while they do unspeakable things they also allow docile populations to exist .Mosul is a good example -even Raqqa where they impose salafi rule in the extreme
but civilian populations exist. I'm sure they are many who resist in heir own way too.
No one would want to -but they do exist a horrid life without becoming radicalized
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Most obvious one would be in eastern Europe during the cold war era, mass emigration was an essential tool in undermining Communist regimes. Germany particularly used it effectively. Why do you think the Berlin wall was constructed?
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well that was a similar culture,and the regimes lost their academia/brain drains -but did exist. I've never read where emigration led to the fall of the Wall.
I don't think one can assimilate 1/5% of the population that fast -especially with language and cultural barriers.
Europe already has problems where assimilaton doesn't happen, and this is going to make it worse.

The problem is the gates are open to Greece islands, and refugees are desperate.. Also their is mass migration ( like 100k a year) from Libya
headed to Europe.

As Tom wrote there is only so much housing/and support systems available at one time - and they are being overloaded.
Which alone could ( perhaps) lead to radicalization once in Europe)
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No one is saying that and if the people are not assimilating than it's because they are not providing the resources to help them assimilate. You have to look at this strategically. No one is saying these factors don't matter. I'm saying that from a geopolitical and strategic standpoint we need to use all tools we have to undermine the radicalized mass movements that are occurring in these regions and emphasizing THE FACT that emigration/immigration is simple one of the best methods there is to do so and one of the best methods to make the situation worse in those radicalized regions is to send those people back. Pandora's box is open. We need to do what is our best interest, from a nation security standpoint and we need to do the right thing from a humanitarian standpoint.

Are you, or anyone, actually suggesting sending these refugees back where a very large number of them are assured to either die or be killed or be radicalized into enemy combatants that we will have to fight? That's insanity. It's stupid beyond belief. Think this through!!
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Give me a break, they don't assimilate because they don't have to, the pernicious PC doctrine of multiculturalism sees to that. Man, if you are ever in London I will take you to the East End which used to be the bastion of the white working classes but is now more like the Middle East. I suggest you read this article which describes what I saying in vivid detail.

How Labour has turned London into a foreign city: Fewer than half the capital's population are white British, gangsters from Somalia terrorise the suburbs and even the tramps are immigrants, reveals astonishing new book



 
Mott the Hoople said:
Since when is doing your Christian duty and extending a Christian hand of love and benevolence to those less fortunate than us who are trying to escape war and terror committing cultural suicide?

Your comment is not only un-Christian, given Christian principles, and un-American, given American history and values, it's simply based on bigotry and fear or those whom are different than you. Besides, you're region of West Virginia is one of the inbred regions most desperately in need of the new genome these immigrants would provide.

Just think of the social, cultural, educational, not to mention genetic benefit of marrying your sons and daughters to these children of Mohammed? :)
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On the one hand, you castigate me for my supposed unchristian xenophobia while on the other you stereotype West Virginians as knuckle dragging inbreds lol. That's the kind of thing that makes it hard to take liberal's seriously on these sorts of issues.

Am I being a bad Christian for advocating sane border policy? That's an interesting question. What kind of Christian would I be if I advocate a German-style immigration policy towards the Syrian refugee/rapists/migrants and it ends up harming innocent Americans and/or the kinds of problems they are having in Germany and other parts of Europe?

I think I'll stick with being a sane Christian lol. But a good Christian-based policy, if you're really interested in one, would be to make it so these people wouldn't be forced to flee their countries in the first place. All the Christian nations should band together to enforce a safe zone in Syria. You could probably even get Putin on board with it.

That way the Syrians can be relatively safe from ISIS and we don't need to deal with millions of their refugees/rapists/migrants and some of their unsavory attitudes towards women and the like.
 
Borboletta said:
Give me a break, they don't assimilate because they don't have to, the pernicious PC doctrine of multiculturalism sees to that. Man, if you are ever in London I will take you to the East End which used to be the bastion of the white working classes but is now more like the Middle East. I suggest you read this article which describes what I saying in vivid detail.

How Labour has turned London into a foreign city: Fewer than half the capital's population are white British, gangsters from Somalia terrorise the suburbs and even the tramps are immigrants, reveals astonishing new book
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I have a buddy who travels to the UK quite a bit because he likes to and he can lol. He's over there now, and probably stuck there on account of the blizzard here. But he talks a lot about how parts of London have become Islamified and are no longer recognizable as London---or particularly safe to go to.

Thankfully, reality is catching up to the 'anti-xenophobia' rhetoric even in multicultural-obsessed Europe. As usual, the left are the extremists on this issue.
 
Syria is a mess. Cities are bombed out/destroyed -there isn't any real society in many places where the basics of life are available.
It's going to take generations to re-build, and that is After the civil war ends.

Maybe there will be a Marshall Plan. Meanwhile the refugees do keep coming, and Turkey really can't assimilate anymore.
I suppose there is always more room in Jordanian refugee camps.. Europe can only digest so many..

I don't see any 'go to' answers . Not until the civil war ends and there begins to be re-construction and political stability
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No one is saying that and if the people are not assimilating than it's because they are not providing the resources to help them assimilate. You have to look at this strategically. No one is saying these factors don't matter. I'm saying that from a geopolitical and strategic standpoint we need to use all tools we have to undermine the radicalized mass movements that are occurring in these regions and emphasizing THE FACT that emigration/immigration is simple one of the best methods there is to do so and one of the best methods to make the situation worse in those radicalized regions is to send those people back. Pandora's box is open. We need to do what is our best interest, from a nation security standpoint and we need to do the right thing from a humanitarian standpoint.

Are you, or anyone, actually suggesting sending these refugees back where a very large number of them are assured to either die or be killed or be radicalized into enemy combatants that we will have to fight? That's insanity. It's stupid beyond belief. Think this through!!
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Mott, you clearly haven't been paying attention to what's been going on in Europe over the last couple of decades if you think the reason for the lack of assimilation is due to lack of resources.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It is and they should be commended for it and the U.S. should do far, far more to help in this humanitarian crisis than what we have.
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I told you that I was with some Swedish guys in Thailand before Xmas, they were disgusted with their government for bringing in so many Muslims. A friend of mine, who has lived and worked there for many years, says that large scale migration has screwed Sweden and he is moving back to the UK.
 
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