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Darth Hussein Omar said:
There are different kinds of jihad and not all of them include violence. Islamists are engaged in a different kind of jihad than ISIS or AQ, but the objectives are indentical: installation of Islamic governance and subjugation of women and non-Muslims.

You're right about the term 'fundamentalist'; it's pretty useless and is typically employed as a slur against certain kinds of Christians.
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no it's not used as a "slur" anymore then salafist is a "slur" - both are originalists interpretation of texts.

For salafists the goal is to remove oneself from modernity - modernity being distractive from practicing Islam.
Anything that removes ones thoughts/practices of Allah is to be avoided - even figurines in Islamic art.
If you notice its more about geometry /shapes / lines /caligraphy

Islamic Art
Today, as is well known, figurative art is widely rejected in Islam and depictions of Muhammad are considered especially offensive. The following article seeks to provide a factual background for this, chronicling the history of figurative depictions in Islamic art, pinning down exactly what is prohibited in the Qur'an and hadith, and exploring the reasoning given for the special sensitivity to depictions of Muhammad.
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For Xtiians it's a rigid reading of the texts -for salafists it's an attempt to be closer to the Prophet by eschewing modernity.
thehadith varies over time but the current group of imans place particular emphasis on it.

Jihad is simply "struggle" - it can be a personal struggle with becoming more blessed as a Muslim too.


Salafists generally can be broken into three groups. The smallest is made up of the jihadists, who represent a militant minority––about 250,000 people––but have a notorious presence across the Middle East, Asia, and Europe because of some militants' willingness to use random attacks on innocent people to draw attention to their radical views of Islam and punish those they see as "crusaders," those who are too influenced by the West.

A second, much larger group of Salafists rejects such violence and generally avoids politics altogether, seeing it as a distraction from their devotion to religion. A third group, also significantly larger than the jihadists, is nonviolent but has embraced political activity and has a growing influence in some countries
 
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So, if both fundamentalists and the jihadis are both originalists, doesn't that end the debate about whether the Koran unequivocally supports violent jihad?

Being an originalist means you are faithful to the text.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
So, if both fundamentalists and the jihadis are both originalists, doesn't that end the debate about whether the Koran unequivocally supports violent jihad?

Being an originalist means you are faithful to the text.
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salafists aren't necessarily jihadists; but to your point the Quran does indeed declare jihad as the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion.
The question becomes is that an individual duty, or is it an organized religious duty.

The text shows it as both - but again the more militant; such as Daesh (ISIS) or even AQ see that as a constant struggle
of Islam in both the political and moral sense.

But look at the more 'westernized' (sic) Muslims in the USA, where assimilation is much stronger,
liberal democratic values coexist with Islamic verse, and jihad is a personal struggle only.
 
I Love America said:
MaliKhristiefan asked for a pink burka but they said no
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This is my color burqa, not pink.

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christiefan915 said:
Breitbart was the first to write it and others picked it up. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/04/20/flashback-fbi-training-manual-purged-references-to-islamic-terror/

As far as the FBI link, no searching is necessary. It's all there on the first page.
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If its true, its true.....whats the beef ?

Has anyone actually read the FBI fact sheet about Muslims and Islamist's in total.....I don't think so, so why bitch about something we don't really know about.
 
annata said:
salafists aren't necessarily jihadists; but to your point the Quran does indeed declare jihad as the religious duty of Muslims to maintain the religion.
The question becomes is that an individual duty, or is it an organized religious duty.

The text shows it as both - but again the more militant; such as Daesh (ISIS) or even AQ see that as a constant struggle
of Islam in both the political and moral sense.

But look at the more 'westernized' (sic) Muslims in the USA, where assimilation is much stronger,
liberal democratic values coexist with Islamic verse, and jihad is a personal struggle only.
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Only? What about the San Bernadino shooters?

The reality is that a majority of US Muslims interpret jihad as a personal struggle. It would be interesting to know just how strong that majority is. Awhile back and in a different debate, I posted a study where a survey was done on US mosques and up to 40% of them had literature condoning violence against non-Muslims.

Imagine if 40% of Christian churches did that. This country would only be safe for Christians, since there are probably a hundred million or so Christians here.

At any rate, any country that intends on admitting Muslims refugees from a place like Syria would do well to keep their numbers small and manageable. And yes, they should be vetted more stringently than Christians from the Ukraine or whatever.

Germany and parts of Europe have learned the error of political correctness.
 
christiefan915 said:
Substitute the words "Catholicism 101" or "Judaism 101" and try to claim the FBI is unbiased. FTR, I don't believe any that comes out of Breitbart because they are known and proven liars.

FBI ‘Islam 101’ Guide Depicted Muslims as 7th-Century Simpletons

As recently as January 2009, the FBI thought its agents ought to know the following crucial information about Muslims:
  • They engage in a “circumcision ritual”
  • More than 9,000 of them are in the U.S. military
  • Their religion “transforms [a] country’s culture into 7th-century Arabian ways.”

And this was what the FBI considered “recommended reading” about Islam:


All this is revealed in a PowerPoint presentation by the FBI’s Law Enforcement Communications Unit (.pdf), which trains new Bureau recruits. Among the 62 slides in the presentation, designed to teach techniques for “successful interviews/interrogations with individuals from the M.E. [Middle East],” is an instruction that the “Arabic mind” is “swayed more by words than ideas and more by ideas than facts.”

The briefing presents much information that has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with constitutionally-protected religious practice and social behavior, such as estimating the number of mosques in America and listing the states with the largest Muslim populations...

...A grainy copy of the PowerPoint was obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union’s Northern California chapter and the Asian Law Caucus, a San Francisco-based civil rights group, and provided to Danger Room. The two groups filed a Freedom of Information Act request last year inquiring about government surveillance of American Muslim communities.

“In order for FBI training to be effective it has to present useful, factual and unbiased information. This material fails on all three criteria,” said Mike German, a former FBI agent who now works for the ACLU. “Factually flawed and biased law enforcement training programs only expand the risk that innocent Muslim and Arab Americans will be unfairly targeted for investigation and prosecution, and stigmatized in their communities.” [Full disclosure: My fiancee works for the ACLU.]

In response to queries from Danger Room, the FBI issued the following statement about the PowerPoint: “The FBI new agent population at Quantico is exposed to a diverse curriculum in many specific areas, including Islam and Muslim culture. The presentation in question was a rudimentary version used for a limited time that has since been replaced. It was a small part of a larger segment of training that also included material produced by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) at West Point.”
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Or just substitute Liberalism 101; but that would just be stating the obvious.
 
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