Muslim filth commit mass rapes in Germany - no surprise there

christiefan915 said:
The silly, distracting debate over whether to use the words ‘radical Islam’

"...before we get consumed with the politics of this argument about word usage, we should ask a simple question: To quote something Clinton herself once said, what difference does it make? Do the words “Islamic terrorism” constitute some kind of magical incantation that once spoken will drive our enemies from the earth? I’m not saying language never matters, but what exactly is this particular language choice supposed to accomplish?

Republicans have been making this criticism of Barack Obama for years, endlessly saying, “How can he defeat radical Islam if he won’t call it by its name?!?” Even for them, this is an uncommonly stupid argument. Let’s say Obama or Clinton came out tomorrow and said, “Hey, you know what? You guys are right. We are at war with radical Islam.” Then what? Would that make anyone any safer?

I’ve yet to hear any conservative give a substantive reason why it would be preferable to have the president say “We’re at war with radical Islam,” other than that doing so would prove that he or she is tough and strong. And as Clinton pointed out, George W. Bush was careful to emphasize that we’re not at war with Islam; I don’t think there are many conservatives who think Bush’s problem when it came to terrorism was that he was weak."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-over-whether-to-use-the-words-radical-islam/
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I was critical of Bush for the ambiguous 'War on Terror' nonsense. Radical Islam has been at war with us since before 9/11. In fact, Bush opened the door for Obama's madness, which goes beyond Obama's weird reticence to utter the term radical Islam.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...g-of-islamic-terms-suppresses-commo/?page=all

"In October 2011, 57 Islamic groups wrote a letter to John O. Brennan, now CIA director, but then President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser.

Citing news reports, the groups complained of “biased, false and highly offensive training materials about Muslims and Islam” inside the federal government’s instructional halls.

“While recent news reports have highlighted the FBI’s use of biased experts and training materials, we have learned that this problem extends far beyond the FBI and has infected other government agencies, including the U.S. Attorney’s Anti-Terrorism Advisory Councils, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the U.S. Army,” the letter read.

Muslims objected to several training guides, such as a 2009 report produced at the Army Command and General Staff at the Fort Leavenworth School of Advanced Military studies.
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This is reprehensible. Under Obama, the FBI's counter training manual was scrubbed of any reference to jihad or Islam, at the request of Muslim groups. This isn't mere semantics, the FBI is actually prevented from learning about the root causes of radical Islamic extremism because some Muslims find it offensive.

When critics of the Obama administration say the administration is more concerned about not offending Muslims than they are protecting Americans, they're right.
 
We have always to bear in mind that 'the West', and in particular the United States have for several generations been systematically destroying progressive movements in the Muslim world, as they did, for instance, in Iran when Mossadeqh threatened their profits. Together with the reactionary effects of colonialism (we see it even in the 'States itself) this preserves barbarism - the savages in Cologne seem to have come from colonial North Africa, for instance - this leaves just barbarous peasants. The probably-best answer is to stop fomenting meaningless wars in Muslims countries so that vast numbers do not want to be elsewhere - and, in particular, to throw our support behind the legal government in Syria before more millions are driven out by our paid terrorists.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I was critical of Bush for the ambiguous 'War on Terror' nonsense. Radical Islam has been at war with us since before 9/11. In fact, Bush opened the door for Obama's madness, which goes beyond Obama's weird reticence to utter the term radical Islam.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...g-of-islamic-terms-suppresses-commo/?page=all

"In October 2011, 57 Islamic groups wrote a letter to John O. Brennan, now CIA director, but then President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser.

Citing news reports, the groups complained of “biased, false and highly offensive training materials about Muslims and Islam” inside the federal government’s instructional halls.

“While recent news reports have highlighted the FBI’s use of biased experts and training materials, we have learned that this problem extends far beyond the FBI and has infected other government agencies, including the U.S. Attorney’s Anti-Terrorism Advisory Councils, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the U.S. Army,” the letter read.

Muslims objected to several training guides, such as a 2009 report produced at the Army Command and General Staff at the Fort Leavenworth School of Advanced Military studies.
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This is reprehensible. Under Obama, the FBI's counter training manual was scrubbed of any reference to jihad or Islam, at the request of Muslim groups. This isn't mere semantics, the FBI is actually prevented from learning about the root causes of radical Islamic extremism because some Muslims find it offensive.

When critics of the Obama administration say the administration is more concerned about not offending Muslims than they are protecting Americans, they're right.
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Are you serious? This is a lexicon, not a manual for specific groups.

lexicon
noun, plural lexica
[lek-si-kuh] (Show IPA), lexicons. 1. a wordbook or dictionary, especially of Greek, Latin, or Hebrew.

2. the vocabulary of a particular language, field, social class, person, etc.

3. inventory or record: unparalleled in the lexicon of human relations.

Here's a link to the actual manual. Counter-terrorism doesn't apply to Muslims only, sheesh. http://www.scribd.com/doc/93235898/FBI-Counterterrorism-Analytical-Lexicon
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Citing news reports, the groups complained of “biased, false and highly offensive training materials about Muslims and Islam” inside the federal government’s instructional halls.

“While recent news reports have highlighted the FBI’s use of biased experts and training materials, we have learned that this problem extends far beyond the FBI and has infected other government agencies, including the U.S. Attorney’s Anti-Terrorism Advisory Councils, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and the U.S. Army,” the letter read.
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Substitute the words "Catholicism 101" or "Judaism 101" and try to claim the FBI is unbiased. FTR, I don't believe any that comes out of Breitbart because they are known and proven liars.

FBI ‘Islam 101’ Guide Depicted Muslims as 7th-Century Simpletons

As recently as January 2009, the FBI thought its agents ought to know the following crucial information about Muslims:
  • They engage in a “circumcision ritual”
  • More than 9,000 of them are in the U.S. military
  • Their religion “transforms [a] country’s culture into 7th-century Arabian ways.”

And this was what the FBI considered “recommended reading” about Islam:


All this is revealed in a PowerPoint presentation by the FBI’s Law Enforcement Communications Unit (.pdf), which trains new Bureau recruits. Among the 62 slides in the presentation, designed to teach techniques for “successful interviews/interrogations with individuals from the M.E. [Middle East],” is an instruction that the “Arabic mind” is “swayed more by words than ideas and more by ideas than facts.”

The briefing presents much information that has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with constitutionally-protected religious practice and social behavior, such as estimating the number of mosques in America and listing the states with the largest Muslim populations...

...A grainy copy of the PowerPoint was obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union’s Northern California chapter and the Asian Law Caucus, a San Francisco-based civil rights group, and provided to Danger Room. The two groups filed a Freedom of Information Act request last year inquiring about government surveillance of American Muslim communities.

“In order for FBI training to be effective it has to present useful, factual and unbiased information. This material fails on all three criteria,” said Mike German, a former FBI agent who now works for the ACLU. “Factually flawed and biased law enforcement training programs only expand the risk that innocent Muslim and Arab Americans will be unfairly targeted for investigation and prosecution, and stigmatized in their communities.” [Full disclosure: My fiancee works for the ACLU.]

In response to queries from Danger Room, the FBI issued the following statement about the PowerPoint: “The FBI new agent population at Quantico is exposed to a diverse curriculum in many specific areas, including Islam and Muslim culture. The presentation in question was a rudimentary version used for a limited time that has since been replaced. It was a small part of a larger segment of training that also included material produced by the Combating Terrorism Center (CTC) at West Point.”
 
as long as it's understood.
I also hear "we're not at war with Islam" *duh* and anyone with a brain understands this -
I've seen denials that Daesh is organized on religious grounds; look at Baghdadi's speech in Mosul and it's nothing but

I use the term "salafi jihad", and while there are some Shi's terrorist groups -the worldwide problem is directly linked to this idea.
Daesh isn't just about religion, but it's a highly motivating factor. same with AQ
 
christiefan915 said:
Are you serious? This is a lexicon, not a manual for specific groups.

lexicon
noun, plural lexica
[lek-si-kuh] (Show IPA), lexicons. 1. a wordbook or dictionary, especially of Greek, Latin, or Hebrew.

2. the vocabulary of a particular language, field, social class, person, etc.

3. inventory or record: unparalleled in the lexicon of human relations.

Here's a link to the actual manual. Counter-terrorism doesn't apply to Muslims only, sheesh. http://www.scribd.com/doc/93235898/FBI-Counterterrorism-Analytical-Lexicon
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I'm not downloading an app so I can read it. Since you're the apparent authority on the subject, maybe you can copy and paste onto here where the word 'jihad' is permitted to be used in the lexicon.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
I'm not downloading an app so I can read it. Since you're the apparent authority on the subject, maybe you can copy and paste onto here where the word 'jihad' is permitted to be used in the lexicon.
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It's a four-page document of definitions. All terrorism is not Islamic terrorism. I still don't understand Breitbart's problem with it and believe it's just about stirring the pot.

(U//FOUO) This lexicon is intended to help standardize the terms used in FBI analytical products dealing with counter-terrorism. The definitions it contains do not supersede those in the Department of Justice National Foreign Intelligence Program Manual(NFIPM), the Attorney General Guidelines, the National Implementation Plan for theWar on Terror, or any US Government statute. Analysis that labels an individual withany of these terms is not sufficient predication for any investigative action or technique.Nor can any investigation be conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the First Amendment or the lawful exercise of other rights secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States. Before applying a label to an individual or his or her activity,reasonable efforts should have been made to ensure the application of that label to be accurate, complete, timely, and relevant.(U//FOUO)

The definitions in this lexicon fall into four broad categories:

Basic Definitions
: Terms describing basic concepts and broad categories of operatives.

Origins
: Terms describing where an individual is from, how he or she was recruited into violent extremist activity, and his or her relationship to an organization.

Activity or Terrorist Role
: Terms describing an individual’s role in terrorist activity. Small decentralized terrorist networks are more likely than large centralized organizations to include individuals who are less specialized and who perform multiple activities or roles. Individuals may change roles over time; for example, a terrorist sympathizer may become further radicalized and go on to play more active roles.

Behavior
: Terms describing the individual’s trade craft or a group’s organizational structure.(U//FOUO) One or more terms from each of these categories can be used to characterize an individual and his or her background and activity. The applicability of these terms to an individual is generally a matter of degree and involves subjective judgments. While some of the descriptive terms are mutually exclusive, others may overlap. Some individuals may elude description by any of these terms, while describing others may require the use of multiple terms from each category. The use of terms not listed in this lexicon might be necessary to describe an individual. If, however, the terms included in this lexicon are used, the intended meaning should match the given definition.
UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
 
be aware that the FBI is also subjected to inclusive decisions on lexicon. They have to include all types of counter-terrorism
and while salafi jihadists are the overwhelming majority - it's not exclusive to that realm.

A much more worldwide view comes from Rand corporation, and others. "salafists"/ Wahhabi is more much standardized there.
I don't like Wahhabi either, it's exclusive to Saudi Arabia - and Wahabbist are not necessarily terrorist -not by a long shot.

Fundamentalist is more of an Xtian term.

Islamists is closer- but political Islam doesn't necessarily mean jihad - just the desire for Sharia or political Islam

I generally see "Islamist" and those interchanged.. I go with "salafi jihadist" which I think is the best description
of the majority of worldwide global terrorism
 
christiefan915 said:
It's a four-page document of definitions. All terrorism is not Islamic terrorism. I still don't understand Breitbart's problem with it and believe it's just about stirring the pot.

(U//FOUO) This lexicon is intended to help standardize the terms used in FBI analytical products dealing with counter-terrorism. The definitions it contains do not supersede those in the Department of Justice National Foreign Intelligence Program Manual(NFIPM), the Attorney General Guidelines, the National Implementation Plan for theWar on Terror, or any US Government statute. Analysis that labels an individual withany of these terms is not sufficient predication for any investigative action or technique.Nor can any investigation be conducted solely upon the basis of activities protected by the First Amendment or the lawful exercise of other rights secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States. Before applying a label to an individual or his or her activity,reasonable efforts should have been made to ensure the application of that label to be accurate, complete, timely, and relevant.(U//FOUO)

The definitions in this lexicon fall into four broad categories:

Basic Definitions
: Terms describing basic concepts and broad categories of operatives.

Origins
: Terms describing where an individual is from, how he or she was recruited into violent extremist activity, and his or her relationship to an organization.

Activity or Terrorist Role
: Terms describing an individual’s role in terrorist activity. Small decentralized terrorist networks are more likely than large centralized organizations to include individuals who are less specialized and who perform multiple activities or roles. Individuals may change roles over time; for example, a terrorist sympathizer may become further radicalized and go on to play more active roles.

Behavior
: Terms describing the individual’s trade craft or a group’s organizational structure.(U//FOUO) One or more terms from each of these categories can be used to characterize an individual and his or her background and activity. The applicability of these terms to an individual is generally a matter of degree and involves subjective judgments. While some of the descriptive terms are mutually exclusive, others may overlap. Some individuals may elude description by any of these terms, while describing others may require the use of multiple terms from each category. The use of terms not listed in this lexicon might be necessary to describe an individual. If, however, the terms included in this lexicon are used, the intended meaning should match the given definition.
UNCLASSIFIED//FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
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So, no mention of jihad. Granted, not all terrorists are jihadis but all jihadis are terrorists. How are they supposed to educate FBI personnel about jihad if you're not allowed to talk about it?
 
annata said:
be aware that the FBI is also subjected to inclusive decisions on lexicon. They have to include all types of counter-terrorism
and while salafi jihadists are the overwhelming majority - it's not exclusive to that realm.

A much more worldwide view comes from Rand corporation, and others. "salafists"/ Wahhabi is more much standardized there.
I don't like Wahhabi either, it's exclusive to Saudi Arabia - and Wahabbist are not necessarily terrorist -not by a long shot.

Fundamentalist is more of an Xtian term.

Islamists is closer- but political Islam doesn't necessarily mean jihad - just the desire for Sharia or political Islam

I generally see "Islamist" and those interchanged.. I go with "salafi jihadist" which I think is the best description
of the majority of worldwide global terrorism
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There are different kinds of jihad and not all of them include violence. Islamists are engaged in a different kind of jihad than ISIS or AQ, but the objectives are indentical: installation of Islamic governance and subjugation of women and non-Muslims.

You're right about the term 'fundamentalist'; it's pretty useless and is typically employed as a slur against certain kinds of Christians.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
There are different kinds of jihad and not all of them include violence. Islamists are engaged in a different kind of jihad than ISIS or AQ, but the objectives are indentical: installation of Islamic governance and subjugation of women and non-Muslims.

You're right about the term 'fundamentalist'; it's pretty useless and is typically employed as a slur against certain kinds of Christians.
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I still don't get your or Breitbart's point and can only conclude it's to demonize the entire Muslim world. The FBI has all kind of info on identifying and fighting ME terrorism here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism

The fact that Breitbart picked a lexicon to advance its anti-Muslim agenda is suspicious. The lexicon doesn't name any terrorist groups, domestic or international.
 
christiefan915 said:
I still don't get your or Breitbart's point and can only conclude it's to demonize the entire Muslim world. The FBI has all kind of info on identifying and fighting ME terrorism here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism

The fact that Breitbart picked a lexicon to advance its anti-Muslim agenda is suspicious. The lexicon doesn't name any terrorist groups, domestic or international.
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Given your limited intellect, I suspect there is a great deal you "don't get"
 
christiefan915 said:
I still don't get your or Breitbart's point and can only conclude it's to demonize the entire Muslim world. The FBI has all kind of info on identifying and fighting ME terrorism here: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism

The fact that Breitbart picked a lexicon to advance its anti-Muslim agenda is suspicious. The lexicon doesn't name any terrorist groups, domestic or international.
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Not sure what Breitbart has to do with anything. My link was from the Washington Times. Again with your link, I'm not going to do a word search for jihad in a massive government link.

If you say it's in there, paste it on the forum.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Not sure what Breitbart has to do with anything. My link was from the Washington Times. Again with your link, I'm not going to do a word search for jihad in a massive government link.

If you say it's in there, paste it on the forum.
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Breitbart was the first to write it and others picked it up. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2013/04/20/flashback-fbi-training-manual-purged-references-to-islamic-terror/

As far as the FBI link, no searching is necessary. It's all there on the first page.
 
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