An evangelical gives his thoughts on Bernie Sanders

Helping the poor is one thing and I do think that more Christians should reach out to poor people and do more, but just giving people everything for free without encouraging people to work hard and provide for your family AND others isn't what I think Jesus had in mind. We shouldn't have the belief that everything will be taken care of for us through a government. If anything I would say that if Bernie Sanders was saying that more people should go to church, help the poor, work hard, and live the way Christ would want us to then I think i'd be on his bandwagon, but he doesn't say that sort of thing. He is definitely wanting to show that he will fight for the downtrodden but he doesn't really talk about how they are going to get out of that situation and stay out of that situation and then help others. Or has he?
 

Thank you but I don't agree with several of his positions that I read on there especially when it comes to abortion, college, and some of other things. Some of his positions are contradictory too. For example he mentions that college should be free and debt free but then has a whole section talking about student loan interest rates. If college is free and debt free then why would a loan even be a talking point since loans are a form of debt to be paid back? Also a lot of what he wants to do would create a very powerful federal government and just as easily as he would hope to do all of those things it could just as easily be abused with all of the bureaucracy, corruption, and power concentrated in a central government. I believe that he should let the state governments and the people in those states decide what happens in their state.
 
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And it's pretty good.

"I wouldn't be much of a Christian if I didn't stand on the side of gospel for the poor, because, the last time I checked, that's where my master Jesus stood, and I'll stand with Him. And, for now, that means I stand with Bernie Sanders."

https://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/9...lical-responds-to-Sanders-speech-at-Liberty-U

Yoo-Hoo!

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I'm sure you won't let a post like THAT get by you...
 
Thank you but I don't agree with several of his positions that I read on there especially when it comes to abortion, college, and some of other things. Some of his positions are contradictory too. For example he mentions that college should be free and debt free but then has a whole section talking about student loan interest rates. If college is free and debt free then why would a loan even be a talking point since loans are a form of debt to be paid back? Also a lot of what he wants to do would create a very powerful federal government and just as easily as he would hope to do all of those things it could just as easily be abused with all of the bureaucracy, corruption, and power concentrated in a central government. I believe that he should let the state governments and the people in those states decide what happens in their state.

Well tuition is only part of the cost of going to college. There's also housing and meals if you plan to live on campus, books, software, etc etc etc. The costs add up.
 
Well tuition is only part of the cost of going to college. There's also housing and meals if you plan to live on campus, books, software, etc etc etc. The costs add up.

Right but how do you make all of that free? Who pays the professors, the cooks that make the food, the janitors, the administration staff at the registrars office, the technicians that come and fix your A/C in the dorm, and things like that? And if you are still taking out loans then how is that removing debt?
 
I'm guessing the free college would only be for public universities and community colleges right? not for private universities
 
I go to a private Christian university and unless your really rich you need some type of financial aid to pay for it. My parents pay a chunk of my tuition and room and board and stuff like that but much of it is through loans and a work-study program. I work part time at a horse stable mucking stalls to earn money and I also work part time for the university which doing that goes towards my loans. It's not easy for me or my parents but I don't expect a free ride for attending a university that I chose and for choosing to better myself by getting a college degree. I didn't have to go to college I could have stayed home and worked and things like that but I didn't enroll in college with the expectation or hope that the federal government was going to pay for it all. I wouldn't even feel right about that anyway. You have to work for what you want otherwise you'll take it for granted.
 
Helping the poor is one thing and I do think that more Christians should reach out to poor people and do more, but just giving people everything for free without encouraging people to work hard and provide for your family AND others isn't what I think Jesus had in mind. We shouldn't have the belief that everything will be taken care of for us through a government. If anything I would say that if Bernie Sanders was saying that more people should go to church, help the poor, work hard, and live the way Christ would want us to then I think i'd be on his bandwagon, but he doesn't say that sort of thing. He is definitely wanting to show that he will fight for the downtrodden but he doesn't really talk about how they are going to get out of that situation and stay out of that situation and then help others. Or has he?

The Feeding of the 5,000
The Feeding of the 5,000 is also known as the "miracle of the five loaves and two fish" given that the Gospel of John reports that five barley loaves and two small fish supplied by a boy were used by Jesus to feed a multitude. According to the Gospels, when Jesus heard that John the Baptist had been killed, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place near Bethsaida. The crowds followed Jesus on foot from the towns. When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick. As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, "This is a remote place, and it's already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food."

Jesus said they did not need to go away, and therefore the disciples were to give them something to eat. They said they only had five loaves of bread and two fish, which Jesus asked be brought to him. Jesus directed the people to sit down in groups on the grass. In Mark's Gospel the crowds sat in groups of 50 and 100, and in Luke's Gospel, Jesus' instructions were to seat the crowd in groups of 50, implying that there were 100 such groups.

Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve baskets full of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, beside women and children.

The Feeding of the 4,000
This story, which appears in the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, is also known as the miracle of the seven loaves and fishes, as the Gospel of Matthew refers to seven loaves and a few small fish used by Jesus to feed a multitude.[4] According to the Gospels, a large crowd had gathered and was following Jesus. Jesus called his disciples to him and said:


"I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way."

His disciples answered:


"Where could we get enough bread in this remote place to feed such a crowd?"

"How many loaves do you have?" Jesus asked.

"Seven," they replied, "and a few small fish."
"Jesus told the crowd to sit down on the ground. Then he took the seven loaves and the fish, and when he had given thanks, he broke them and gave them to the disciples, and they in turn to the people. They all ate and were satisfied. Afterward the disciples picked up seven basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. The number of those who ate was four thousand men, besides women and children. After Jesus had sent the crowd away, he got into the boat and went to the vicinity of Magadan (or Magdala)."
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Liberals seem to think that this means it should be done FOR ALL TIME and no where do I see anything that says this was to be the norm.

Hands up, not hand outs.
 
Well tuition is only part of the cost of going to college. There's also housing and meals if you plan to live on campus, books, software, etc etc etc. The costs add up.

Don't forget limo rides to class and hot tubs to deal with the stress. We must make life as easy as possible for folks
 
Helping the poor is one thing and I do think that more Christians should reach out to poor people and do more, but just giving people everything for free without encouraging people to work hard and provide for your family AND others isn't what I think Jesus had in mind. We shouldn't have the belief that everything will be taken care of for us through a government. If anything I would say that if Bernie Sanders was saying that more people should go to church, help the poor, work hard, and live the way Christ would want us to then I think i'd be on his bandwagon, but he doesn't say that sort of thing. He is definitely wanting to show that he will fight for the downtrodden but he doesn't really talk about how they are going to get out of that situation and stay out of that situation and then help others. Or has he?



on what basis of FACT do you claim that feeding and housing the poor makes them poor?
 
on what basis of FACT do you claim that feeding and housing the poor makes them poor?

I didn't really say that though. My point was that you can just feed and house the poor and then expect that doing those things will keep them out of poverty. You still have to have drive and hope and the want to better yourself otherwise you become dependent.
 
Helping the poor does not make them evil



that is what your stance is claiming


don help them because they wont appreiciate it and will just try to get more help while doing NOTHING
 
Helping the poor does not make them evil



that is what your stance is claiming


don help them because they wont appreiciate it and will just try to get more help while doing NOTHING

I never said or implied that being poor makes some one evil. Please stop assuming so much about what I am saying.
 
what you claim is not based in FACT


go get FACTS to back your claim

I think it is pretty factual that when you are given a lot of things you can become dependent. That's not a political stance it's just the way it often is when it comes to handouts. It's not a bad thing to accept help but you have to also want to help yourself. If someone gave me money id pay them back and if somebody have me shelter is make it up to them while trying my hardest to not need help. There are a lot of people that get help and then are motivated to help themselves and succeed but there are also a lot of people that just accept the handouts and have no desire to change the situation and that needs to change.
 
Helping the poor is one thing and I do think that more Christians should reach out to poor people and do more, but just giving people everything for free without encouraging people to work hard and provide for your family AND others isn't what I think Jesus had in mind. We shouldn't have the belief that everything will be taken care of for us through a government. If anything I would say that if Bernie Sanders was saying that more people should go to church, help the poor, work hard, and live the way Christ would want us to then I think i'd be on his bandwagon, but he doesn't say that sort of thing. He is definitely wanting to show that he will fight for the downtrodden but he doesn't really talk about how they are going to get out of that situation and stay out of that situation and then help others. Or has he?



you think giving hem free food and a place to live is going to make them bad
 
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