An evangelical gives his thoughts on Bernie Sanders

why do you live in this country


You don't like our democracy and what It does


leave

you are free to do so which means you are not forced to do anything
 
I Love America said:
Why do you feel compelled to forcibly take from others to further your compassion?

Whether you think people SHOULD help the less fortunate isn't the point. Shouldn't they be free not to if they choose so?

Or are you of the mindset that people should be forced against their will to expend their labor for others.

If I break into your house, steal your belongings, sell them and give all the proceeds to the poor am I compassionate?
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you are not forced to do anything


Move and denounce your American citizenship

that is all you have to do


no one is forcing you to live here and pay the taxes everyone who choses to live here has to pay
 
I Love America said:
Why do you feel compelled to forcibly take from others to further your compassion?

Whether you think people SHOULD help the less fortunate isn't the point. Shouldn't they be free not to if they choose so?

Or are you of the mindset that people should be forced against their will to expend their labor for others.

If I break into your house, steal your belongings, sell them and give all the proceeds to the poor am I compassionate?
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Yes you might be compassionate, but you would also be a criminal.

Helping the poor by the government is not akin to breaking into someone's house and stealing their belongings.

The Democracy we live in, allows for the government to provide for the Common Good. It can be argued that having a larger middle class or helping poverty stricken people is beneficial to the Common Good. At some level I agree with that argument. If enough people vote for politicians who support social support programs, the democracy will do it. Its part of the covenant we live by.
 
Norah said:
I go to a private Christian university and unless your really rich you need some type of financial aid to pay for it. My parents pay a chunk of my tuition and room and board and stuff like that but much of it is through loans and a work-study program. I work part time at a horse stable mucking stalls to earn money and I also work part time for the university which doing that goes towards my loans. It's not easy for me or my parents but I don't expect a free ride for attending a university that I chose and for choosing to better myself by getting a college degree. I didn't have to go to college I could have stayed home and worked and things like that but I didn't enroll in college with the expectation or hope that the federal government was going to pay for it all. I wouldn't even feel right about that anyway. You have to work for what you want otherwise you'll take it for granted.
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Access to education is a great equalizer and results in a stronger society if it means the best of the best will get educated. If you believe, like I do, that plenty of highly intelligent people are born poor, and are hamstrung by the poverty they are born in, resulting in them being less productive members of society than they could have been, then free education to such people would help America become a stronger nation and a better place for all.

What we currently have is a situation where, if your born to a family of means, but are mediocre in the intelligence arena you can take educational resources not available to those more intellectually deserving. It results in a weaker country. GWB is a great example. This guy could not get into the University of Texas Law School, so he went to Harvard instead... an opportunity he only had because of who his parents were. This man, who I believe to be of limited intelligence for his place in society, would never have been president had his family not been who they are. We would have been better off as a nation had someone more intellectually deserving had that spot at Harvard.
 
all Americans should be educated as well as we can provide it.


there is a reason public education exists world round
 
evince said:
all Americans should be educated as well as we can provide it.


there is a reason public education exists world round
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I don't believe that the US constitution allows or says that the federal government should provide free college education for all but if a state wants to try and organize that effort and get their citizens on board through a vote for their state universities then I'd be ok with that effort although I would still wonder how it would get paid for since that would be a lot of students for some states.
 
You are wrong that government help comes with no strings. The only people who can remain on welfare indiffinetly are the elderly, the disabled, and the mentally ill.

People have so many misconceptions about welfare.
 
Rana said:
You are wrong that government help comes with no strings. The only people who can remain on welfare indiffinetly are the elderly, the disabled, and the mentally ill.

People have so many misconceptions about welfare.
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someone is lying to them about the facts
 
Norah said:
I don't believe that the US constitution allows or says that the federal government should provide free college education for all but if a state wants to try and organize that effort and get their citizens on board through a vote for their state universities then I'd be ok with that effort although I would still wonder how it would get paid for since that would be a lot of students for some states.
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what part of the consitution forbids it?
 
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