Vigilante gun Nut KILLS Innocent Man

ZappasGuitar said:
And where specifically might I find that distinction spelled out in the Arizona penal code?

Or is it just how you FEEL the law should read?
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[h=1]Arizona[/h]This page lists the most applicable state crimes addressing stalking. However, depending on the facts of the case, a stalker might also be charged with other crimes, such as trespassing, intimidation of a witness, breaking and entering, etc. Check your state code or consult with your local prosecutor about other charges that might apply in a particular case.
Stalking

[h=2]Stalking[/h]A.R.S. § 13-2923. Stalking; classification; definitions. (2012)
A. A person commits stalking if the person intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct that is directed toward another person and if that conduct either:
1. Would cause a reasonable person to fear for the person's safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears for the person's safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member.
2. Would cause a reasonable person to fear death of that person or that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears death of that person or that person's immediate family member.
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B. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section is a class 5 felony. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 2 is a class 3 felony.
C. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Course of conduct:"
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(a) Means any of the following:
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(i) Maintaining visual or physical proximity to a specific person or directing verbal, written, or other threats, whether express or implied, to a specific person on two or more occasions over a period of time, however short.
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(ii) Using any electronic, digital or global positioning system device to surveil a specific person or a specific person's internet or wireless activity continuously for 12 hours or more or on two or more occasions over a period of time, however short, without authorization.
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(b) Does not include constitutionally protected activity or other activity authorized by law, the other person, the other person's authorized representative or if the other person is a minor, the minor's parent or guardian.
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2. "Immediate family member" means a spouse, parent, child or sibling or any other person who regularly resides in a person's household or resided in a person's household within the past six months.
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Superfreak said:
It isn't alleged you idiot... he stole the beer. He still had it with him. If he didn't want to be followed, he shouldn't have stolen the beer. You keep pretending that it isn't clear cut that he stole the beer.
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And when had he been convicted?

When did he receive his trial by jury the law states is his right?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And when had he been convicted?

When did he receive his trial by jury the law states is his right?
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again you idiot... he was committing the crime as these events unfolded. Only a complete fucking moron is going to continue to pretend that this guy was innocent. But do go on...
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Funny, you never made it clear it was nothing more than your OPINION before.

That was some pretty nifty backpedaling!

:good4u:
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No backpedaling moron. I never stated that you SAID you wouldn't help. I stated clearly that my comment was based on YOUR comments. If you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend that, it is on you and the other retards.
 
Superfreak said:
[h=1]Arizona[/h]This page lists the most applicable state crimes addressing stalking. However, depending on the facts of the case, a stalker might also be charged with other crimes, such as trespassing, intimidation of a witness, breaking and entering, etc. Check your state code or consult with your local prosecutor about other charges that might apply in a particular case.
Stalking

[h=2]Stalking[/h]A.R.S. § 13-2923. Stalking; classification; definitions. (2012)
A. A person commits stalking if the person intentionally or knowingly engages in a course of conduct that is directed toward another person and if that conduct either:
1. Would cause a reasonable person to fear for the person's safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears for the person's safety or the safety of that person's immediate family member.
2. Would cause a reasonable person to fear death of that person or that person's immediate family member and that person in fact fears death of that person or that person's immediate family member.
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B. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section is a class 5 felony. Stalking under subsection A, paragraph 2 is a class 3 felony.
C. For the purposes of this section:
1. "Course of conduct:"
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(a) Means any of the following:
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(i) Maintaining visual or physical proximity to a specific person or directing verbal, written, or other threats, whether express or implied, to a specific person on two or more occasions over a period of time, however short.
​
(ii) Using any electronic, digital or global positioning system device to surveil a specific person or a specific person's internet or wireless activity continuously for 12 hours or more or on two or more occasions over a period of time, however short, without authorization.
​
(b) Does not include constitutionally protected activity or other activity authorized by law, the other person, the other person's authorized representative or if the other person is a minor, the minor's parent or guardian.
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2. "Immediate family member" means a spouse, parent, child or sibling or any other person who regularly resides in a person's household or resided in a person's household within the past six months.
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Thank you.

What you provided makes it clear as crystal that the shooter was indeed STALKING the alleged thief.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Thank you.

What you provided makes it clear as crystal that the shooter was indeed STALKING the alleged thief.
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LMAO... except that it doesn't. No reasonable person would have a right to fear for his life in that situation.

A reasonable person would expect that if he/she stole something that others may follow them if seen committing the criminal act.
 
Superfreak said:
again you idiot... he was committing the crime as these events unfolded. Only a complete fucking moron is going to continue to pretend that this guy was innocent. But do go on...
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So you admit he had been found guilty of NOTHING at that point and was indeed INNOCENT.

Yet your vigilante hero still felt the need to gun him down in cold blood.
 
Rana said:
If the guy was just following the guy how did he get close enough in proximity to him to be threatened by an attack with a log? There are just a lot of questions that I don't know the details.
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This could be discussed, if you would give a better idea of what distance falls within the ranges of your idea of "proximity".
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So you admit he had been found guilty of NOTHING at that point and was indeed INNOCENT.

Yet your vigilante hero still felt the need to gun him down in cold blood.
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So if you see a man kill another... you are going to pretend he is innocent because he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law? You are seriously Desh level retarded at this point.
 
Superfreak said:
you seem to be severely confused as to what constitutes 'stalking'... following a person one time is not stalking. When you are being followed because you just committed a crime... it is definitely not stalking.
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I was in a store, yesterday, and every time I went down an aisle, there was a different person following stalking me.
 
Superfreak said:
No backpedaling moron. I never stated that you SAID you wouldn't help. I stated clearly that my comment was based on YOUR comments. If you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend that, it is on you and the other retards.
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Strange...

Superfreak said:
Zappa is the type of good citizen that would let someone else get raped, murdered, mugged while waiting for the police.
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I can't find the word "opinion" anywhere in the above post...yet you claim you stated it quite clearly.
 
Superfreak said:
So if you see a man kill another... you are going to pretend he is innocent because he hasn't been found guilty in a court of law? You are seriously Desh level retarded at this point.
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Reductio ad absurdum.

Do try to stick to the details of this particular case.
 
Superfreak said:
again you idiot... he was committing the crime as these events unfolded. Only a complete fucking moron is going to continue to pretend that this guy was innocent. But do go on...
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I read somewhere, that an ear witness has come forward and is saying that the dead guy's twin brother is the one who really stole the beer.
He then gave it to the dead guy, as a Birthday present, before the guy on the bicycle started following him.

So even thought he LOOKED identical to the real their, was carrying the beer, and attacked the guy on the bicycle, instead of talking to him, was just an unfortunate set of circumstances.

Plus the dead guy is being described as a Gentle Giant, they're going to start posting pictures of him as a 12 year old, and the protesters now have a new mantra:
"A beer and a shot, is what Ramon got".
 
One or two cops in uniform armed with batons. tasers and guns are more likely to confront and force a perp like this to an arrest rather than a fatal shooting. An untrained civilian is more likely to get the results in the story. If getting killed for boosting a what, less than $10 worth of merchandise is acceptable to some folk, then our society is indeed on the highway to hell.
 
Taichiliberal said:
One or two cops in uniform armed with batons. tasers and guns are more likely to confront and force a perp like this to an arrest rather than a fatal shooting. An untrained civilian is more likely to get the results in the story. If getting killed for boosting a what, less than $10 worth of merchandise is acceptable to some folk, then our society is indeed on the highway to hell.
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Isn't the whole point of #BLM that cops kill people like this instead of just arresting them?
 
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