NIMBY Fracking!

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The only bullshit here is what you are spewing, Dude. Where is the documentation regarding these "thousands" of problem proof fracking wells? I'd like to see it. Now have a care, I can produce facts and evidence to back up what I say.

And stop parroting right wing retorts like, "I bet you still buy gas".....because I bet YOU don't try to run off the road people who buy small cars and outfit them with best fuel efficient and emission standards, right? Or do you pipe bomb electric cars? Trains? Buses? Since I live/work in NYC, I don't need a car...got that "Dude"?

So spare us all this particular right wing clap trap, because I bet you STILL use federal roads, eat food guaranteed safe via the federal gov't, etc., etc. and the majority of these "drill, baby, drill" parrots just HATE the federal gov't for imposing standards on energy companies.

Think it through next time before you type, Dude...and spare us the lame repetition or retort. The opening story of this thread remains a valid testimony...deal with it.


I always love when poopy pants liberals hide behind "roads" because if you drive on a road then by default you must willingly accept all other forms of gobblement control

Tell me Mr Poopy Pants, where do your gobblement masters keep your testicles locked up? Obviously you can't survive without the gobblement you poor baby

Are you off your meds or do you normally degenerate to a small child when you can't deal with facts or challenges that don't jibe with your political/social beliefs?

Bottom line: I challenge Dude to prove his claim of "thousands" of problem free fracking wells. I suggest you and your like minded compadres start doing your homework to come up with valid documentation if you're going to join the Dude in that claim. Otherwise, you're all just blowing smoke. Carry on.
 
I noticed you completely ignored the point of the opening post....how about just acknowledging it's validity? I also noticed that you haven't answered my challenge to the Dude regarding his claim of "thousands" of problem proof fracking wells.

As for the half truth about CO2 and fracking:


The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...acked-wells-methane-emissions-super-emitters/


So is your point that everybody should give up fracking because this guy doesn't want it in his backyard? As for your heavily biased Think Progress article where does it say that US fracking hasn't saved more CO2 than all the wind power and solar worldwide?
 
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Are you off your meds or do you normally degenerate to a small child when you can't deal with facts or challenges that don't jibe with your political/social beliefs?

Bottom line: I challenge Dude to prove his claim of "thousands" of problem free fracking wells. I suggest you and your like minded compadres start doing your homework to come up with valid documentation if you're going to join the Dude in that claim. Otherwise, you're all just blowing smoke. Carry on.

I don't have to come up with anything. I bathe in your tears
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I noticed you completely ignored the point of the opening post....how about just acknowledging it's validity? I also noticed that you haven't answered my challenge to the Dude regarding his claim of "thousands" of problem proof fracking wells.

As for the half truth about CO2 and fracking:


The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...uper-emitters/

So is your point that everybody should give up fracking because this guy doesn't want it in his backyard? As for your heavily biased Think Progress article where does it say that US fracking hasn't saved more CO2 than all the wind power and solar worldwide?

Wrong. My point is that one of the leading fracking advocates is a flaming hypocrite! Also, you CANNOT refute or disprove the content of the Think Progress article.

More to the point, you ignore the following from the article: The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


If Think Progress was as totally biased as you claim, then it would NOT acknowledge information that you are so myopically hopped up on.

And for the record: please stop parroting that stupid ass comparison by neocon/teabagger flunkies of wind power to fracking...as NEITHER windmill or solar panels emit NO CO2 or any other type of effluent! :palm:
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Are you off your meds or do you normally degenerate to a small child when you can't deal with facts or challenges that don't jibe with your political/social beliefs?

Bottom line: I challenge Dude to prove his claim of "thousands" of problem free fracking wells. I suggest you and your like minded compadres start doing your homework to come up with valid documentation if you're going to join the Dude in that claim. Otherwise, you're all just blowing smoke. Carry on.

I don't have to come up with anything. I bathe in your tears

Translation: yet another neocon/teabagger/libertarian lunkhead is exposed as just another willfully ignorant and intellectually impotent parrot. I leave him to his last useless retort.
 
Wrong. My point is that one of the leading fracking advocates is a flaming hypocrite! Also, you CANNOT refute or disprove the content of the Think Progress article.

More to the point, you ignore the following from the article: The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


If Think Progress was as totally biased as you claim, then it would NOT acknowledge information that you are so myopically hopped up on.

And for the record: please stop parroting that stupid ass comparison by neocon/teabagger flunkies of wind power to fracking...as NEITHER windmill or solar panels emit NO CO2 or any other type of effluent! :palm:

The point, which you seem incapable of understanding, is that fracked gas has reduced CO2 levels in the US back to 1990 emission levels. That is far more CO2 saving than all of the wind turbines and solar plants in the world, that is not controversial except to you. I am not sure what it takes for you to stop being so partisan and actually embrace a little more impartiality, I suspect that is probably asking too much.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Wrong. My point is that one of the leading fracking advocates is a flaming hypocrite! Also, you CANNOT refute or disprove the content of the Think Progress article.

More to the point, you ignore the following from the article: The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.

If Think Progress was as totally biased as you claim, then it would NOT acknowledge information that you are so myopically hopped up on.

And for the record: please stop parroting that stupid ass comparison by neocon/teabagger flunkies of wind power to fracking...as NEITHER windmill or solar panels emit NO CO2 or any other type of effluent!



The point, which you seem incapable of understanding, is that fracked gas has reduced CO2 levels in the US back to 1990 emission levels. That is far more CO2 saving than all of the wind turbines and solar plants in the world, that is not controversial except to you. I am not sure what it takes for you to stop being so partisan and actually embrace a little more impartiality, I suspect that is probably asking too much.

#1 Wind and solar do not emit Co2. If they replace the power supplied by standard oil/gas driven power sources, then you have ZERO emissions. You're comparison is just plain silly, because YOU IGNORE THE FACT The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


Got that? What you are claiming is NOT exactly true upon further inspection. See, you need to READ THE CONTENT and not JUST THE HEADLINE. But I suspect you don't have the intellectual courage or honesty to do so. I'll pick this up tomorrow if you .
 
#1 Wind and solar do not emit Co2. If they replace the power supplied by standard oil/gas driven power sources, then you have ZERO emissions. You're comparison is just plain silly, because YOU IGNORE THE FACT The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


Got that? What you are claiming is NOT exactly true upon further inspection. See, you need to READ THE CONTENT and not JUST THE HEADLINE. But I suspect you don't have the intellectual courage or honesty to do so. I'll pick this up tomorrow if you .

Oh dear, how to tell you without you going apeshit? Wind and solar cause CO2 emissions not only in their manufacture but also when backup generators have to be on standby to take over when the wind fails to blow and the Sun stops shining.

Ever since Gordon Hughes' report noted that wind power was more likely to produce more carbon dioxide emissions than gas, I have been looking for the figures behind the claim. In the comments, someone has now posted some details that seem to meet the bill. Although these are not Hughes' own numbers -they were submitted in evidence to Parliament by an engineer - I assume they are similar.
[A]s wind rarely produces more than 25% of its faceplate capacity it needs 75% backup - which due to the necessity of fast response times needs OCGT generation (CCGT can respond quickly but the heat-exchanger systems upon which their increased efficiency relies, cannot - so CCGT behaves like OCGT under these circumstances). CCGT produces 0.4 tonnes of CO2 per MWh, OCGT produces 0.6 tonnes. Thus 0.6 tonnes x 75% = 0.45 tonnes. Conclusion: Wind + OCGT backup produces more 0.05 tonnes of CO2 per MWh than continuous CCGT.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/8/18/wind-produces-more-co2-than-gas-the-numbers.html
 
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
#1 Wind and solar do not emit Co2. If they replace the power supplied by standard oil/gas driven power sources, then you have ZERO emissions. You're comparison is just plain silly, because YOU IGNORE THE FACT The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.

Got that? What you are claiming is NOT exactly true upon further inspection. See, you need to READ THE CONTENT and not JUST THE HEADLINE. But I suspect you don't have the intellectual courage or honesty to do so. I'll pick this up tomorrow if you .

Oh dear, how to tell you without you going apeshit? Wind and solar cause CO2 emissions not only in their manufacture but also when backup generators have to be on standby to take over when the wind fails to blow and the Sun stops shining.

Ever since Gordon Hughes' report noted that wind power was more likely to produce more carbon dioxide emissions than gas, I have been looking for the figures behind the claim. In the comments, someone has now posted some details that seem to meet the bill. Although these are not Hughes' own numbers -they were submitted in evidence to Parliament by an engineer - I assume they are similar.
[A]s wind rarely produces more than 25% of its faceplate capacity it needs 75% backup - which due to the necessity of fast response times needs OCGT generation (CCGT can respond quickly but the heat-exchanger systems upon which their increased efficiency relies, cannot - so CCGT behaves like OCGT under these circumstances). CCGT produces 0.4 tonnes of CO2 per MWh, OCGT produces 0.6 tonnes. Thus 0.6 tonnes x 75% = 0.45 tonnes. Conclusion: Wind + OCGT backup produces more 0.05 tonnes of CO2 per MWh than continuous CCGT.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/8/18/wind-produces-more-co2-than-gas-the-numbers.html

And of course, the devil is in the details:


The essence of the wind sceptics' case is that a scaling up in wind power will have to be "backed up" by massive investment in gas-fired open cycle turbine (OCGT) plants, which are cheap to build but considerably less efficient than the combined cycle gas turbine (CCGT) power plants which deliver the vast majority of the UK's gas-fired electricity supply.

Their arguments are not borne out by current statistics, however. If the sceptics were right, the recent windy conditions would have seen considerable use of less-efficient OCGT as wind input to the grid ramped up and down. In actual fact, during the entire June-September period, OCGTs and equally dirty oil-fired stations produced less than one hundredth of one percent of all UK electricity. In total they operated for a grand total of just nine half hour periods in the first 19 days of the month – and these periods had nothing to do with changing windspeeds.

From analysing National Grid data of more than 4,000 half-hour periods over the last three months, a strong correlation between windiness and a reduction in gas-fired generation becomes clear. The exchange rate is about one for one: a megawatt hour of wind typically meant the UK grid used one less megawatt hour of gas-derived electricity. This means that actual CO2 savings can be calculated from the data with a high degree of accuracy – these are not guesstimates from models, but observations of real-world data.

Over a year, based on the amount of electricity wind is currently generating each day, wind turbines save around 6.1m tonnes of carbon dioxide, or about 4% of the UK's emissions from electricity (based on CCGT plants emitting around 350 kg CO2 per mWh). This figure provides independent confirmation for the trade body RenewableUK's estimate of a current reduction in annual emissions from the entire UK wind fleet of about 6m tonnes.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/sep/26/myth-wind-turbines-carbon-emissions



The only people going "apeshit" seem to be biased wonks like you who depend upon some clown using "assume" and "not Hughes' own numbers" to tell you what you want to hear. Deal with it, deary.
 
Wind and solar will never replace organic oil!

Not completely, and surely not on it's own. But if industrialized nations would divorce themselves from Big Oil as a sole power source and put alternatives on par (and no, NOT nuclear...as no one to date will own up to it's history of hazzards or who is going to neutralize all that deadly waste), then things would be better.


You can groan all you want, Dude...but you seem incapable of dealing with the truth of the opening post...nor can you give proof of your claim of "thousands" of problem free fracking wells. Maybe that's why you're groaning. Carry on.
 
I noticed you completely ignored the point of the opening post....how about just acknowledging it's validity? I also noticed that you haven't answered my challenge to the Dude regarding his claim of "thousands" of problem proof fracking wells.

As for the half truth about CO2 and fracking:

The good news: A sample of what are probably the best fracked wells in the country finds low emissions of methane, a potent heat-trapping gas.

The bad news: The study likely missed the super-emitters, the wells that are responsible for the vast majority of methane leakage.


http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...acked-wells-methane-emissions-super-emitters/

A load of hysterical nonsense, it is yet another scare story conjured up by Warmageddon alarmists. Anyway if you are going to rail about methane I hope that you are a vegan!!

Methane: The Irrelevant Greenhouse Gas

Posted on April 11, 2014 by Anthony Watts

Water vapor has already absorbed the very same infrared radiation that Methane might have absorbed.

Guest essay by Dr. Tom Sheahen

Q: I read that methane is an even worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and cattle are a big source of methane emissions. How are they going to regulate that? Not just cattle, but dairy cows as well! That doubles the worry.

Fortunately, there is really nothing to worry about, scientifically. The main thing to worry about is over-reacting politicians and another layer of unnecessary government regulations.
To understand methane’s role in the atmosphere, first it’s necessary to understand what absorption means. When light passes through a gas (sunlight through air, for example), some molecules in the gas might absorb a photon of light and jump up to an excited state. Every molecule is capable of absorbing some particular wavelengths of light, and no molecule absorbs all the light that comes along. This holds true across the entire electromagnetic spectrum – microwave, infrared, visible, and ultraviolet.

The process of absorption has been studied in great detail. In a laboratory set-up, a long tube is filled with a particular gas, and then a standard light is set up at one end; at the other end of the tube is a spectrometer, which measures how much light of each wavelength makes it through the tube without being absorbed. (Mirrors are placed so as to bounce the light back and forth several times, making the effective travel path much longer; this improves the precision of the data.) From such measurements, the probability of radiation being captured by a molecule is determined as a function of wavelength; the numerical expression of that is termed the absorption cross-section.

If you carried out such an experiment using ordinary air, you’d wind up with a mixture of results, since air is a mixture of various gases. It’s better to measure one pure gas at a time. After two centuries of careful laboratory measurements, we know which molecules can absorb which wavelengths of light, and how likely they are to do so.

All that data is contained in charts and tables of cross-sections. Formerly that meant a trip to the library, but nowadays it’s routinely downloaded from the internet. Once all the cross-sections are known, they can be put into a computer program and the total absorption by any gas mixture (real or imaginary) can be calculated.

The many different molecules absorb in different wavelength regions, known as bands. The principal components of air, nitrogen and oxygen, absorb mainly ultraviolet light. Nothing absorbs in the visible wavelength range, but there are several gases that have absorption bands in the infrared region. These are collectively known as the GreenHouse Gases (GHG), because absorbing infrared energy warms up the air – given the name greenhouse effect.

The adjacent figure shows how six different gases absorb radiation across the infrared range of wavelengths, from 1 to 16 microns (mm). The vertical scale is upside-down: 100% absorption is low, and 0% absorption (i.e., transparency) is high.



It’s important to realize that these are shown on a “per molecule” basis. Because water vapor (bottom bar of the figure) is much more plentiful in the atmosphere than any of the others, H[SUB]*2[/SUB]O absorbs vastly more energy and is by far the most important greenhouse gas. On any given day, H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is a percent or two of the atmosphere; we call that humidity.

The second most important greenhouse gas is carbon dioxide (CO[SUB]2[/SUB]), which (on a per-molecule basis) is six times as effective an absorber as H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. However, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] is only about 0.04% of the atmosphere (400 parts per million), so it’s much less important than water vapor.

Now it’s necessary to scrutinize the figure very carefully. Looking across the wavelength scale at the bottom, H[SUB]2[/SUB]O absorbs strongly in the 3-micron region, and again between 5 and 7 microns; then it absorbs to some degree beyond about 12 microns. CO[SUB]2[/SUB] has absorption bands centered around 2.5 microns, 4.3 microns, and has a broad band out beyond 13 microns. Consequently, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] adds a small contribution to the greenhouse effect. Notice that sometimes CO[SUB]2[/SUB] bands overlap with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O bands, and with vastly more H[SUB]2[/SUB]O present, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] doesn’t matter in those bands.

Looking at the second graph in the figure, methane (CH[SUB]4[/SUB]) has narrow absorption bands at 3.3 microns and 7.5 microns (the red lines). CH[SUB]4[/SUB] is 20 times more effective an absorber than CO[SUB]2[/SUB] – in those bands. However, CH[SUB]4[/SUB] is only 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million) of the atmosphere. Moreover, both of its bands occur at wavelengths where H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is already absorbing substantially. Hence, any radiation that CH[SUB]4[/SUB] might absorb has already been absorbed by H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. The ratio of the percentages of water to methane is such that the effects of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] are completely masked by H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. The amount of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] must increase 100-fold to make it comparable to H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

Because of that, methane is irrelevant as a greenhouse gas. The high per-molecule absorption cross section of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] makes no difference at all in our real atmosphere.
Unfortunately, this numerical reality is overlooked by most people. There is a lot of misinformation floating around, causing needless worry. The tiny increases in methane associated with cows may elicit a few giggles, but it absolutely cannot be the basis for sane regulations or national policy.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/...ficant-enough-to-negate-value-of-natural-gas/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/methane-the-irrelevant-greenhouse-gas/
 
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Not completely, and surely not on it's own. But if industrialized nations would divorce themselves from Big Oil as a sole power source and put alternatives on par (and no, NOT nuclear...as no one to date will own up to it's history of hazzards or who is going to neutralize all that deadly waste), then things would be better.


You can groan all you want, Dude...but you seem incapable of dealing with the truth of the opening post...nor can you give proof of your claim of "thousands" of problem free fracking wells. Maybe that's why you're groaning. Carry on.


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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/25/bill_gates_nuclear_firm_plans_hot_salty_push_into_power/
 
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Many of the frack well inject co2 Thus capturing the carbon deep!
Alternatives can and will be used, as what they are.
Niche uses
 
A load of hysterical nonsense, it is yet another scare story conjured up by Warmageddon alarmists. Anyway if you are going to rail about methane I hope that you are a vegan!!

Methane: The Irrelevant Greenhouse Gas




Posted on April 11, 2014 by Anthony Watts

Water vapor has already absorbed the very same infrared radiation that Methane might have absorbed.

Guest essay by Dr. Tom Sheahen

Q: I read that methane is an even worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, and cattle are a big source of methane emissions. How are they going to regulate that? Not just cattle, but dairy cows as well! That doubles the worry.

Fortunately, there is really nothing to worry about, scientifically. The main thing to worry about is over-reacting politicians and another layer of unnecessary government regulations.
To understand methane’s role in the atmosphere, first it’s necessary to understand what absorption means. When light passes through a gas (sunlight through air, for example), some molecules in the gas might absorb a photon of light and jump up to an excited state. Every molecule is capable of absorbing some particular wavelengths of light, and no molecule absorbs all the light that comes along. This holds true across the entire electromagnetic spectrum – microwave, infrared, visible, and ultraviolet.

The process of absorption has been studied in great detail. In a laboratory set-up, a long tube is filled with a particular gas, and then a standard light is set up at one end; at the other end of the tube is a spectrometer, which measures how much light of each wavelength makes it through the tube without being absorbed. (Mirrors are placed so as to bounce the light back and forth several times, making the effective travel path much longer; this improves the precision of the data.) From such measurements, the probability of radiation being captured by a molecule is determined as a function of wavelength; the numerical expression of that is termed the absorption cross-section.

If you carried out such an experiment using ordinary air, you’d wind up with a mixture of results, since air is a mixture of various gases. It’s better to measure one pure gas at a time. After two centuries of careful laboratory measurements, we know which molecules can absorb which wavelengths of light, and how likely they are to do so.

All that data is contained in charts and tables of cross-sections. Formerly that meant a trip to the library, but nowadays it’s routinely downloaded from the internet. Once all the cross-sections are known, they can be put into a computer program and the total absorption by any gas mixture (real or imaginary) can be calculated.

The many different molecules absorb in different wavelength regions, known as bands. The principal components of air, nitrogen and oxygen, absorb mainly ultraviolet light. Nothing absorbs in the visible wavelength range, but there are several gases that have absorption bands in the infrared region. These are collectively known as the GreenHouse Gases (GHG), because absorbing infrared energy warms up the air – given the name greenhouse effect.

The adjacent figure shows how six different gases absorb radiation across the infrared range of wavelengths, from 1 to 16 microns (mm). The vertical scale is upside-down: 100% absorption is low, and 0% absorption (i.e., transparency) is high.



It’s important to realize that these are shown on a “per molecule” basis. Because water vapor (bottom bar of the figure) is much more plentiful in the atmosphere than any of the others, H[SUB]*2[/SUB]O absorbs vastly more energy and is by far the most important greenhouse gas. On any given day, H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is a percent or two of the atmosphere; we call that humidity.

The second most important greenhouse gas is carbon dioxide (CO[SUB]2[/SUB]), which (on a per-molecule basis) is six times as effective an absorber as H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. However, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] is only about 0.04% of the atmosphere (400 parts per million), so it’s much less important than water vapor.

Now it’s necessary to scrutinize the figure very carefully. Looking across the wavelength scale at the bottom, H[SUB]2[/SUB]O absorbs strongly in the 3-micron region, and again between 5 and 7 microns; then it absorbs to some degree beyond about 12 microns. CO[SUB]2[/SUB] has absorption bands centered around 2.5 microns, 4.3 microns, and has a broad band out beyond 13 microns. Consequently, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] adds a small contribution to the greenhouse effect. Notice that sometimes CO[SUB]2[/SUB] bands overlap with H[SUB]2[/SUB]O bands, and with vastly more H[SUB]2[/SUB]O present, CO[SUB]2[/SUB] doesn’t matter in those bands.

Looking at the second graph in the figure, methane (CH[SUB]4[/SUB]) has narrow absorption bands at 3.3 microns and 7.5 microns (the red lines). CH[SUB]4[/SUB] is 20 times more effective an absorber than CO[SUB]2[/SUB] – in those bands. However, CH[SUB]4[/SUB] is only 0.00017% (1.7 parts per million) of the atmosphere. Moreover, both of its bands occur at wavelengths where H[SUB]2[/SUB]O is already absorbing substantially. Hence, any radiation that CH[SUB]4[/SUB] might absorb has already been absorbed by H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. The ratio of the percentages of water to methane is such that the effects of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] are completely masked by H[SUB]2[/SUB]O. The amount of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] must increase 100-fold to make it comparable to H[SUB]2[/SUB]O.

Because of that, methane is irrelevant as a greenhouse gas. The high per-molecule absorption cross section of CH[SUB]4[/SUB] makes no difference at all in our real atmosphere.
Unfortunately, this numerical reality is overlooked by most people. There is a lot of misinformation floating around, causing needless worry. The tiny increases in methane associated with cows may elicit a few giggles, but it absolutely cannot be the basis for sane regulations or national policy.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/...ficant-enough-to-negate-value-of-natural-gas/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/methane-the-irrelevant-greenhouse-gas/

My, but it seems all you've got is a the usual suspects of climate change deniers who are on the payroll of industry connected think tanks and businesses. This joker's credibility on the subject is just that....a joke.




**I believe I've discovered where on the internet the Tom Sheehan article is. His name could be Tom Sheahan and maybe he is Thomas P. Sheahan, Ph.D, Western Technologies, Inc., whose name is on a list of 100 science deniers circulated back a couple of years ago by the Cato Institute. A Tom Sheahan (with two "a"s) wrote an article last week for the conservative blog, the somewhat inappropriately named American Thinker, using Anthony's Quote of the Day. Sheahan doesn't give the source of his quote except that he attributes it to Richard Lindzen.

Update: American Thinker has now changed Thomas Sheahan to Thomas Sheahen.
http:

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/12/list-of-scientists-respected-in-their.html
 
My, but it seems all you've got is a the usual suspects of climate change deniers who are on the payroll of industry connected think tanks and businesses. This joker's credibility on the subject is just that....a joke.




**I believe I've discovered where on the internet the Tom Sheehan article is. His name could be Tom Sheahan and maybe he is Thomas P. Sheahan, Ph.D, Western Technologies, Inc., whose name is on a list of 100 science deniers circulated back a couple of years ago by the Cato Institute. A Tom Sheahan (with two "a"s) wrote an article last week for the conservative blog, the somewhat inappropriately named American Thinker, using Anthony's Quote of the Day. Sheahan doesn't give the source of his quote except that he attributes it to Richard Lindzen.

Update: American Thinker has now changed Thomas Sheahan to Thomas Sheahen.
http:

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/12/list-of-scientists-respected-in-their.html

This tells me that you haven't the scientific props to understand what he is saying so you go, as warmists always do, for the low hanging fruit instead. I can't help it if you don't understand about IR absorption maybe if you went away and boned up on it first you wouldn't make yourself look quite so ridiculous.
 
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