Great Story!

Darla said:
I didn't mean you. I meant SF and callicentes. I put up a funny story about a moron gun nut who SUPERFICIALLY shot himself in the leg at a gun nut convention, and they respond with stories about dead children. How'd you like to live in those minds? Must be cloudy every day of the week there.
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foggy, too, low hanging clouds. ;)
 
Darla said:
I didn't mean you. I meant SF and callicentes. I put up a funny story about a moron gun nut who SUPERFICIALLY shot himself in the leg at a gun nut convention, and they respond with stories about dead children. How'd you like to live in those minds? Must be cloudy every day of the week there.
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Maybe SF and callicentes find stories about dead children humorous?

The thought of someone's child lying dead makes then laugh...hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
 
Bonestorm said:
It's not there.

Also, too, the National Gang Center says there were 1,824 total gang homocides in 2011 (not just gang homocides using firearms). With 11,101 total gun homicides in 2011, that puts the percentage, at most, to be about 16%, not 71%. But hey, you're only off by 55%.

https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Measuring-the-Extent-of-Gang-Problems
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Hey superfreaky is a number cruncher, he probably tells his clients he made them 71% when it was only 17% too! A man's gotta live! Maybe he has dyslexia!
 
Bonestorm said:
LOL. So I take it you won't be using that gang homicide stat anymore.
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I take it this means you can't answer the question. Funny how you questioned the source (rightfully so) that the author used in the link I posted, yet you are not willing to scrutinize the source your link used?

No? Double standard?
 
Superfreak said:
I take it this means you can't answer the question. Funny how you questioned the source (rightfully so) that the author used in the link I posted, yet you are not willing to scrutinize the source your link used?
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My source had actual information. The guy you quoted had no information whatsoever. None. He linked to a CDC report that doesn't say what he claimed it said. In fact, it said nothing about gang-related homicides whatsoever.

Superfreak said:
No? Double standard?
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No, it's not a double standard. There would be a double standard if the CDC actually provided information about gang-related homocides and I questioned the CDC's sources. But the CDC didn't and there's no source to question.
 
Bonestorm said:
My source had actual information. The guy you quoted had no information whatsoever. None. He linked to a CDC report that doesn't say what he claimed it said. In fact, it said nothing about gang-related homicides whatsoever.
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Information they got from WHERE dung?
 
Superfreak said:
Information they got from WHERE dung?
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I'd have to double check, but I believe the information was obtained from police departments who investigated the crimes. I'm sure that if you poked around at the National Gang Center site you'll find what you're looking for.

Bottom line is that this is the best information we have on gang-related homocides so you probably shouldn't continue using that 71% number.
 
Bonestorm said:
I'd have to double check, but I believe the information was obtained from police departments who investigated the crimes. I'm sure that if you poked around at the National Gang Center site you'll find what you're looking for.

Bottom line is that this is the best information we have on gang-related homocides so you probably shouldn't continue using that 71% number.
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The CDC gets THEIR information from the Uniform Crime Report the FBI puts out every year. I'll try and find a copy. But yeah 3/4 homicides are gang related.
 
Bonestorm said:
I'd have to double check, but I believe the information was obtained from police departments who investigated the crimes. I'm sure that if you poked around at the National Gang Center site you'll find what you're looking for.
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I did look. I wanted to see if you had. Funny that you didn't... I wonder why.

Bottom line is that this is the best information we have on gang-related homocides so you probably shouldn't continue using that 71% number.
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I already acknowledged that the 71% number was a mistake... I saw the cdc link and just assumed it was there. That said, I think your survey numbers are off as well.
 
Superfreak said:
I did look. I wanted to see if you had. Funny that you didn't... I wonder why.
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I did look. Hence, "double check."


Superfreak said:
I already acknowledged that the 71% number was a mistake... I saw the cdc link and just assumed it was there. That said, I think your survey numbers are off as well.
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Ok, so you won't use the 71% number anymore. Good. Do you have more reliable figures than my source? If so, please provide them.
 
Bonestorm said:
I find it curious that the FBI figures would be so dramatically different from the National Gang Center considering both agencies fall under the DOJ.
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Had you looked as you said you did, the NGC relies on surveys... not on reported data. That could be where differences occur.
 
Superfreak said:
Had you looked as you said you did, the NGC relies on surveys... not on reported data. That could be where differences occur.
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In order for a difference to exist in the first instance there have to be two reported numbers. Right now, we only have one. But thank you for your speculation.
 
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