Women Don't Want More Than Men

cawacko said:
I'll admit I'm confused on the role mandatory paid maternity and paternity leave would have with this issue. And for disclosure of pay rates does that mean each company reports to the government what each employee is making?
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Maternity and paternity leave play into it because women sometimes may "choose" lower paying positions with more leave time. If everyone has to provide it and men and women both get it, women wouldn't have to make these "choices" and men and women would be on equal footing when it comes to time off for child birth.

For disclosure of pay rates, I primarily mean to all employees. A lot of employers either prohibit or actively discourage their employees from talking about their compensation. Women may not even know that they are underpaid. If rates were disclosed, then they'd know.
 
Bonestorm said:
Maternity and paternity leave play into it because women sometimes may "choose" lower paying positions with more leave time. If everyone has to provide it and men and women both get it, women wouldn't have to make these "choices" and men and women would be on equal footing when it comes to time off for child birth.

For disclosure of pay rates, I primarily mean to all employees. A lot of employers either prohibit or actively discourage their employees from talking about their compensation. Women may not even know that they are underpaid. If rates were disclosed, then they'd know.
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From a logistical standpoint do you see the paid maternity leave coming from a federal mandate and would it apply the same to large businesses as it would mom and pop's or small businesses with say five employees?

I understand allowing people to talk about what they make if they so desire. As far as making it public would envision a sheet in the lunch room where other postings usually hang showing what everyone makes? My initial instinct is if you publish something like that you are asking for a whole lot of office drama.
 
cawacko said:
From a logistical standpoint do you see the paid maternity leave coming from a federal mandate and would it apply the same to large businesses as it would mom and pop's or small businesses with say five employees?
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All employers engaged in interstate commerce.


cawacko said:
I understand allowing people to talk about what they make if they so desire. As far as making it public would envision a sheet in the lunch room where other postings usually hang showing what everyone makes? My initial instinct is if you publish something like that you are asking for a whole lot of office drama.
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You could do it by position without disclosing names. And if people are paid fairly, there shouldn't be too much drama.
 
Bonestorm said:
All employers engaged in interstate commerce.




You could do it by position without disclosing names. And if people are paid fairly, there shouldn't be too much drama.
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Fair enough, I respect the opinion but disagree. I do not agree with the federal government mandating that a small struggling business should be forced to pay months of maternity support. If you are getting by on a shoestring budget and must pay someone to not work while paying someone to replace them in the meantime could put you out of business.

I don't know what type of office environments you've worked in in the past but what I have seen what people make is always a huge deal. One person thinks he brings in more revenue than someone else and should be paid more, someone else thinks someone who makes more than them is an idiot and they ought to be making more. There's no such thing as "fair" when looked at from an individual perspective.
 
Abraxas said:
Well I was thinking of Grand Slam matches like Wimbledon, French Open, Australia Open etc. Women get the same prize money now but refused point blank to play best of five like men.
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I was looking up a history of women in pro tennis and it's all relatively new. I couldn't find anything about women refusing to play best of five, though.

"Women's professional tennis began in 1926 when world number one Suzanne Lenglen accepted $50,000 for a series of matches against three time US Champion Mary K. Browne. This ended in 1927 and women didn't again compete at the professional level until 1941 when Alice Marble headlined a tour against Mary Hardwick. World War 2 hindered most pro competitions and many players were involved with entertaining the troops. In 1947 women pros were again in action with a short-lived series of exhibition matches between Pauline Betz and Sarah Palfrey Cooke, both U.S. National Champions. In 1950–51, Bobby Riggs signed Betz and Gussie Moran to play a pro tour with Jack Kramer and Pancho Segura, (Betz dominated Moran.) Althea Gibson turned pro in 1958 and joined with Karol Fageros ("the Golden Goddess") as the opening act for the Harlem Globetrotters for one season. There was virtually no further women's professional tennis until 1967 when promoter George McCall signed Billie Jean King, Ann Jones, Françoise Dürr, and Rosie Casals to join his tour of eight men for two years.[SUP][63][/SUP] The pro women then played as independents as the Open Era began.


In 1970, promoter for the Pacific Southwest Championships in Los Angeles Jack Kramer offered the women only $7,500 in prize money versus the men's total of $50,000. When Kramer refused to match the men's prize money, King and Casals urged a boycott. Gladys Heldman, American publisher of World Tennis magazine, responded with a separate women's tour under the sponsorship of Virginia Slims cigarettes. In 1971–72 the WT Women's Pro Tour offered nearly ten times the prize money of other pro women's tennis events. The tour alienated the USLTA, which initially would not sanction the tour. Giving Virginia Slims the individual events and the USLTA the tour resolved the conflict. In 1973, the U.S. Open made history by offering equal prize money to men and women. Billie Jean King, the most visible advocate for the women's cause, earned over $100,000 in 1971 and 1972.[SUP][64][/SUP] In the famous Battle of the Sexes exhibition match against crafty Bobby Riggs in September 1973, King brought even more media attention to tennis, and to women professionals in all walks of life.
 
The Dude said:
I think woman should also go 5 sets in majors, I was just kidding about them looking so good mattering.
Men have a higher percentage muscle mass naturally
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True about muscle mass although the Williams sisters have huge muscles. They're either mesomorphs or on steroids.
 
christiefan915 said:
I was looking up a history of women in pro tennis and it's all relatively new. I couldn't find anything about women refusing to play best of five, though.

"Women's professional tennis began in 1926 when world number one Suzanne Lenglen accepted $50,000 for a series of matches against three time US Champion Mary K. Browne. This ended in 1927 and women didn't again compete at the professional level until 1941 when Alice Marble headlined a tour against Mary Hardwick. World War 2 hindered most pro competitions and many players were involved with entertaining the troops. In 1947 women pros were again in action with a short-lived series of exhibition matches between Pauline Betz and Sarah Palfrey Cooke, both U.S. National Champions. In 1950–51, Bobby Riggs signed Betz and Gussie Moran to play a pro tour with Jack Kramer and Pancho Segura, (Betz dominated Moran.) Althea Gibson turned pro in 1958 and joined with Karol Fageros ("the Golden Goddess") as the opening act for the Harlem Globetrotters for one season. There was virtually no further women's professional tennis until 1967 when promoter George McCall signed Billie Jean King, Ann Jones, Françoise Dürr, and Rosie Casals to join his tour of eight men for two years.[SUP][63][/SUP] The pro women then played as independents as the Open Era began.


In 1970, promoter for the Pacific Southwest Championships in Los Angeles Jack Kramer offered the women only $7,500 in prize money versus the men's total of $50,000. When Kramer refused to match the men's prize money, King and Casals urged a boycott. Gladys Heldman, American publisher of World Tennis magazine, responded with a separate women's tour under the sponsorship of Virginia Slims cigarettes. In 1971–72 the WT Women's Pro Tour offered nearly ten times the prize money of other pro women's tennis events. The tour alienated the USLTA, which initially would not sanction the tour. Giving Virginia Slims the individual events and the USLTA the tour resolved the conflict. In 1973, the U.S. Open made history by offering equal prize money to men and women. Billie Jean King, the most visible advocate for the women's cause, earned over $100,000 in 1971 and 1972.[SUP][64][/SUP] In the famous Battle of the Sexes exhibition match against crafty Bobby Riggs in September 1973, King brought even more media attention to tennis, and to women professionals in all walks of life.
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Pat Cash makes some pretty good points on the subject.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/t...d-play-five-sets/story-fnibcgxs-1226664728163
 
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