Women Don't Want More Than Men

Abraxas said:
What is this some kind of double bluff? It has your hallmarks all over it, nobody else is quite that psycho.
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You're much too humble tommy turd, you're certainly that psycho, fetish boy!

And everyone here knows it too! Even the mods!

But good misdirection, your wife told me you do scream my name when you come! She thinks it is quite funny!
 
Abraxas said:
I don't know how it works in the US but the family courts over here are highly secretive so they can get away with all kinds of shit and do on a regular basis. Thre are moves afoot to open them up to more public scrutiny and not before bloody time.
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Damn that sounds worse!
 
Darla said:
No it isn't. Custody issues are probably the most perfect example of what feminists mean when they state that patriarchy hurts men too.

All of the the myths you listed about fathers are the result of sexism. Sexism states that a woman's destiny is biological - she is meant to be a mother. Women are naturally nurturing and mothering and traditional gender roles teach us that the most important function they serve is breeding and child-rearing. This is as untrue as what is taught about men and their role as fathers.
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fyi most men being ceos or politicians isn't discrimination against women. It's just benevolent sexism against men. Society thinks we are workhorses and puts so much pressure on us.
 
christiefan915 said:
Yet this story appeared less than a day ago. Do you think researchers are making it up?

"It’s not news that women earn less than men. But a soon-to-be-released report illustrates a particularly disappointing trend: women earn less than men even in popular woman-dominated jobs.

The Institute for Women’s Policy Research crunched government data and found that in each of the 20 most common occupations for women in 2013, women’s median weekly earnings for full-time work were less than weekly earnings for men. Within those top 20 jobs, that relationship holds true for occupations with the largest shares of women.

Take elementary- and middle-school teachers, for example. Women in these full-time spots made median weekly earnings of $937 in 2013, compared with $1,025 for men. Those figures translate to women making 91.4 cents for each dollar earned by men – a gap of 8.6 cents. That gap widened to as much as 16.4 cents for social workers."

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/capito...n-less-than-men-even-in-woman-dominated-jobs/
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Is this study taking into account women working the same hours and the same exact job? does it take into account women taking more time off then men and then being behind in terms of years worked? Because I have posted many times now the bureau of labor study that showed that if you adjust for actual hours worked and for the same job, the wage gap completely disappears. to the extent that there is a wage gap, it is the result of women's own choices, not discrimination.
 
christiefan915 said:
Various studies have been made on this for decades and the result is always the same. On average women get paid less than men for doing the same work.
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sigh. time to break out the copy pasta.

U.S. Department of Labor:
the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose
of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform policymakers and the public.

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A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to
pay less than full-time work.

A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child
care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who
were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of
children in the home.


Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies
more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly,
the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation


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Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous
conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a
multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify
corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be
almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.
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http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender Wage Gap Final Report.pdf

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More sources:

The wage gap statistic, however, doesn’t compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers.


The Department of Labor’s Time Use Survey, for example, finds that the average full-time working man spends 8.14 hours a day on the job, compared to 7.75 hours for the full-time working woman. Employees who work more likely earn more. Men working five percent longer than women alone explains about one-quarter of the wage gap.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/

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If you believe women suffer systemic wage discrimination, read the new American Association of University Women (AAUW) study Graduating to a Pay Gap. Bypass the verbal sleights of hand and take a hard look at the numbers. Women are close to achieving the goal of equal pay for equal work. They may be there already.


How many times have you heard that, for the same work, women receive 77 cents for every dollar a man earns? This alleged unfairness is the basis for the annual Equal Pay Day observed each year about mid-April to symbolize how far into the current year women have to work to catch up with men's earnings from the previous year. If the AAUW is right, Equal Pay Day will now have to be moved to early January.


The AAUW has now joined ranks with serious economists who find that when you control for relevant differences between men and women (occupations, college majors, length of time in workplace) the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing. The 23-cent gap is simply the average difference between the earnings of men and women employed "full time." What is important is the "adjusted" wage gap-the figure that controls for all the relevant variables. That is what the new AAUW study explores.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

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And why, pray tell, does this not extend to all peer groups and part time work?
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Time: Workplace Salaries: At Last, Women on Top
The fact that the average American working woman earns only about 8o% of what the average American working man earns has been something of a festering sore for at least half the population for several decades. And despite many programs and analyses and hand-wringing and badges and even some legislation, the figure hasn't budged much in the past five years.


But now there's evidence that the ship may finally be turning around: according to a new analysis of 2,000 communities by a market research company, in 147 out of 150 of the biggest cities in the U.S., the median full-time salaries of young women are 8% higher than those of the guys in their peer group.
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http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html

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In Part-Time Jobs, Women Out-Earn Men:

When it comes to part-time work, the gender wage gap goes the other way: Women generally out-earn men.

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As you can see, among workers who work at least 40 hours a week, men still significantly out-earn women.


But as soon as you drop below that 40-hour-a-week mark, the reverse happens: Most women make more than men who work equivalent hours, with the exception of workers who put in fewer than five hours a week.

One is that these pay statistics do not control for what kinds of jobs these workers are in. And the type of work — whether it be education versus finance, doctor versus nurse, manager versus assistant — accounts for a large portion of the variation in the pay that people receive.
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http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/in-part-time-jobs-women-out-earn-men/

I could go on.

Hour for hour, field for field, time worked at job for time worked at job, once you adjust all those factors and bring them into line, women make exactly the same as men. The wage gap as a result of discrimination is a MYTH.
 
I do believe companies pay women less they would pay everyone less if they could get away with it. I do believe being a woman in itself is no longer a roadblock to being hired if your qualified.
 
http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/08/white-house-wage-gender-gap-statistics

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney doesn't like when you apply the same logic governing wages in private businesses to his employer's own payroll. As President Obama prepares to sign an executive order addressing the gender gap in federal contractors' wages, critics have pointed out that female White House staffers make an average of 88 cents for every dollar male staffers earn.


Carney protested that this was misleading, because women and men holding similar positions at the White House are paid equivalent salaries. Because women outnumber men at the lowest levels of the employee chain, however, the average female salary at the White House is lower.


Carney is right: It is misleading to average the salaries of men and women in widely varying positions and then use this as evidence that women are being discriminated against. That women disproportionately make up lower-paid positions may point to some broad, systematic gender bias, past or present, but it doesn't equate to outright sexist behavior on an employer's part.


It's good that Carney acknowledges this as far as the White House is concerned, because the Obama administration and many others are quick to gloss over nuance like this when talking about the wage gap in general. We frequently hear that American women make only 77 cents for every dollar men make, but this is based on data that fails to account for women's work histories and life choices. It aggregates the earnings of women in all positions and compares this average against the earnings of all men.


As The Washington Post's Nia-Malika Henderson points out, "It's hard to find a study that finds no pay disparity in what men and women make,"—several studies place it closer to 84 cents on the dollar. But the gap is neither as wide nor as easily reduced as many would make it out to be. Though there are surely some occupations and companies where women get paid less out of plain old sexism, the wage gap overall seems a product of large but less nefarious structural and cultural forces.


These forces are certainly worth talking about. Why do women still flock to lower paying fields and positions? How can women, men, and companies make having children less detrimental to women's careers? Why does the wage gap widen for older women even when they don't have children? Etcetera. But trotting out misleading statistics about women's wages not only fails to address these issues adequately, it actively works against addressing them. It makes things too simplistic, and thus given to simplistic solutions.


This week, Senate Democrats are (again) considering the "Paycheck Fairness Act," which would require employers to submit pay information annually for all employees. How will this help shrink the wage gap? No one's been too specific about that. But, hey, what's a little more bureaucracy when there's the spectacle of government action to uphold?


The bill would also make employers liable to civil actions for pay discrimination. Republicans in Congress say this is unnecessary, because gender-based discrimination is already illegal.But a vote against the bill is a good way to get painted as complicit in the Republican "war on women," so you can see why backing the lackluster legislation is a good political move for Democrats. Henderson notes in the Post that states where Democrats are running close races this year seem to contain Democrats most concerned with addressing the wage gap immediately.
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This whole issue is just a manipulation point to trick stupid people. Democrats propose some unnecessary bullshit legislation that is unnecessary and redundant that only adds another layer of bureaucracy, but if no one goes along with the obvious pandering then they are an enemy in the "war on women"

Hook line and sinker.
 
Truth Detector said:
Who is forcing these women to work for less?
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Yes those poor women needing Daddy Obama to look out for them and pass a law. How empowering.

"Oh Daddy Obama I don't make enough pass a law"

How embarrassing for women. They should be ashamed. Apparently they aren't as smart as they claim or they wouldn't have to run to a man to fix it.

Ironic huh?
 
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