Mozilla CEO resigns after donation to Prop 8

Damocles said:
It's simply true, even if Newt points it out.

In fact then Senator and Candidate Obama repeatedly declared his belief that Marriage was between a man and a woman. The reality is that if we are going to go back in time and punish people for their political opinions then Obama's opinion being exactly the same as this guy's should net the same result.

While I disagree with the opinion, and did back then as well, I don't believe that punishing selected individuals for a mainstream (at the time) political opinion has anything to do with justice or can conceivably fit in with our insistence that speech is protected.

Then the company also coming out insisting that they urge their employees to discuss disparate opinions openly yet punishing this man for his is just bizarre.
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I just think it's awesome that our resident non-Republicans-who-claim-to-be-libertarians are reading from the same script as Newt Gingrich. LOL.

Also, too, this whole incident has exactly nothing to do with free speech rights or whether speech is "protected."
 
Bonestorm said:
I just think it's awesome that our resident non-Republicans-who-claim-to-be-libertarians are reading from the same script as Newt Gingrich. LOL.

Also, too, this whole incident has exactly nothing to do with free speech rights or whether speech is "protected."
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Dearest ass munch... there are gay liberals who are saying the same thing as us as well. Does that make us gay liberals? Or could it be that people from across the political spectrum think the this was a massive mistake?
 
And, SF, I'm just going to leave this here in case you feel like getting around to answering it today. I understand that you were very busy doing very important things yesterday.

Bonestorm said:
Uh, to ask the question a third time, who is it that libertarians believe should protect employees from losing their job for their beliefs? If companies shouldn't have this power, who should take it from them? The government? The Justice League? The Avengers?
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Superfreak said:
Dearest ass munch... there are gay liberals who are saying the same thing as us as well. Does that make us gay liberals? Or could it be that people from across the political spectrum think the this was a massive mistake?
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No. It makes you, Newt Gingrich and the gay liberals the same thing: not libertarian.
 
Bonestorm said:
No. It makes you, Newt Gingrich and the gay liberals the same thing: not libertarian.
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Yeah... who's the pompous ass? Oh yeah, YOU.

Sharing opinions with people of different political perspectives does not change who any of us are. You are just desperately clinging to your nonsense because you know you have lost the debate.
 
Bonestorm said:
And, SF, I'm just going to leave this here in case you feel like getting around to answering it today. I understand that you were very busy doing very important things yesterday.
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Still waiting on you to provide a libertarian who says what you say we believe.
 
I don't think libertarians are really upset that this guy lost his job in a political sense. I think people are just surprised that a company has such shitty excuses for human beings as employees who fagged around and got him to resign.
 
Bonestorm said:
I just think it's awesome that our resident non-Republicans-who-claim-to-be-libertarians are reading from the same script as Newt Gingrich. LOL.

Also, too, this whole incident has exactly nothing to do with free speech rights or whether speech is "protected."
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Oddly enough it doesn't have to do with that other than what I have stated here. Nobody is suggesting that somebody be put in prison for this. Only that it isn't justice by any measure for those who hold that we should be able to express differing opinions openly in the US.

I would again iterate that I disagreed with both this guy and Obama in 2008, does that make me better suited to be President or do you think only CEOs who disagree with me should be punished?
 
Superfreak said:
Yeah... who's the pompous ass? Oh yeah, YOU.

Sharing opinions with people of different political perspectives does not change who any of us are. You are just desperately clinging to your nonsense because you know you have lost the debate.
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You are either ignorant of libertarian philosophy or just lying. Considering that I have posted LP planks, statements of the former Party Chairman and several articles proving you are wrong, it must be the latter. Rothbard, Rand, Lefevre, etc. all agree that freedom of association implies a right to discriminate. I don't report that gleefully, but it is a fact.
 
Truth Detector said:
Wrong again shit-for-brans; I haven't changed anything. I have correctly applied it to leftist retards tactics in an effort to destroy free speech.



Dear retard; the English language does not belong to you. You are one dumb arrogant repugnant moron aren't you?
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fascism is a word that has a meaning. You don't get to rewrite that meaning. That's just a fact. I showed you quite clearly how the "correct" definition of that word does not comport with liberalism in any way. Fascism, itself, is stridently AGAINST cultural AND political liberalism.

Hey... I had an idea where you could have an epithet be a part of your epitaph. Your tombstone could read, "here lies a pompous, ridiculously stupid, fucking moron"

a twofer!

:lol:
 
Damocles said:
Oddly enough it doesn't have to do with that other than what I have stated here. Nobody is suggesting that somebody be put in prison for this. Only that it isn't justice by any measure for those who hold that we should be able to express differing opinions openly in the US.
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Yes, we are free to hold and express different opinions in the US. But we aren't free from criticism for the views that we hold. And other free people with their own rights to self-expression and to associate with whomever they wish, don't have to associate with people who hold and express opinions that they find deplorable.

This incident, from the libertarian perspective, is a celebration of freedom.


Damocles said:
I would again iterate that I disagreed with both this guy and Obama in 2008, does that make me better suited to be President or do you think only CEOs who disagree with me should be punished?
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What?
 
Bonestorm said:
Yes, we are free to hold and express different opinions in the US. But we aren't free from criticism for the views that we hold. And other free people with their own rights to self-expression and to associate with whomever they wish, don't have to associate with people who hold and express opinions that they find deplorable.

This incident, from the libertarian perspective, is a celebration of freedom.




What?
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It isn't difficult. Does this mean that only people you dislike should be punished for holding that opinion? Do you plan on being consistent or just pretending that Libertarian ideals are somehow in disagreement with my opinion here?

That Newt points out something factual that others also noticed doesn't change the reality.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't difficult. Does this mean that only people you dislike should be punished for holding that opinion? Do you plan on being consistent or just pretending that Libertarian ideals are somehow in disagreement with my opinion here?
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My opinion on this matter is clear from my posts in this thread. But I don't claim to be a libertarian. The libertarian position is that private parties are free to associate with whomever they want for whatever reason they want and that the marketplace will reward or punish them for those choices. So if a wedding venue doesn't believe in gay marriage, libertarians believe that the venue should be free to refuse to accomodate gay people. If this proves to be an unpopular position, the wedding venue will suffer from loss of revenue. If it's popular, the venue will be rewarded with additional business. This is the libertarian position. You are free to express your opinions. Others are free to associate with you (or not) based on your opinions. The marketplace will sort out the rest.

Damocles said:
That Newt points out something factual that others also noticed doesn't change the reality.
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What?
 
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