Transgenders and the issue of public restrooms

Jarod said:
Heck, Im a fundamentalist. If God had intended us to pee indoors and be separated he would have made bathrooms in nature.
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I think you're trying to be funny here but on the serious side of things my grandfather refused to use the indoor bathroom when my dad and uncles had it put in their house in the early 60's. Said it couldn't be sanitary to do that. :)
 
leaningright said:
I think you're trying to be funny here but on the serious side of things my grandfather refused to use the indoor bathroom when my dad and uncles had it put in their house in the early 60's. Said it couldn't be sanitary to do that. :)
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There you go, but you see times change, people change, different things are acceptable based on technological updates. How morality is applied to life on Earth is based on situations. Something that was amoral 100 years ago is moral today.

Morality is based on how actions harm or don't harm people. The same action today might be harmless while 2000 years ago might have been harmful.
 
It dawned on me that there is a fundamental problem with the thesis, there IS NO ISSUE here. If these people wish to be confused about themselves they are free to do so. But everyone else is not so encumbered.
 
What is the reason for separate restrooms? Are people so hormone driven that if a member of the other sex is taking a shit in the stall next to them they wont be able to control themselves?
 
Jarod said:
There you go, but you see times change, people change, different things are acceptable based on technological updates. How morality is applied to life on Earth is based on situations. Something that was amoral 100 years ago is moral today.

Morality is based on how actions harm or don't harm people. The same action today might be harmless while 2000 years ago might have been harmful.
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I absolutely disagree. Morality doesn't change, society does. What was moral and immoral in the past is still moral and immoral now. People's views about it might have changed but morality itself hasn't.

Whether or not to take care of one's bathroom needs in the house or outside is not a question of morality.
 
NOVA said:
What total bullshit.....

You stick you hand between your legs and what you find there dictates what bathroom you must use....problem solved, case closed.
and I don't really give a good shit what gender you "THINK" you are or what clothes you prefer to wear...you can 'think' you're a dog for all I care, but
that don't give you a right to stroll around town pissing on fire hydrants....
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Sun Devil said:
So a vagina or a penis dictates (no pun intended) your gender?.....Well buddy you missed sex ed class huh?
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What did you it was, long hair? A pretty dress ? Painted nails ? A mustache ?

And you're right about sex ed class, I wasn't exposed to the asinine crap filling you mush-brains today....

So if you 'think' you're a dog, you can stroll around town pissing on fire hydrants ?

Its a mental illness, whether its biological or psychological
 
leaningright said:
I absolutely disagree. Morality doesn't change, society does. What was moral and immoral in the past is still moral and immoral now. People's views about it might have changed but morality itself hasn't.

Whether or not to take care of one's bathroom needs in the house or outside is not a question of morality.
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The principals for why certain behavior is okay or not okay don't change. The ramifications of those behaviors often do change, affecting weather that behavior is moral or not.

Is it moral to eat more than you need? I don't know, that depends... is someone going to go without because you did so?

IN modern America its prob not immoral to eat more than you need, nobody is going to go without because you did. If you have a child sitting next to you who is going to go without because you ate more than you needed, it prob. is immoral.

The moral principal did not change, the situation did.
 
NOVA said:
What did you it was, long hair? A pretty dress ? Painted nails ? A mustache ?

And you're right about sex ed class, I wasn't exposed to the asinine crap filling you mush-brains today....

So if you 'think' you're a dog, you can stroll around town pissing on fire hydrants ?

Its a mental illness, whether its biological or psychological
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I bet you get invited to all the parties Bravo.
 
leaningright said:
I absolutely disagree. Morality doesn't change, society does. What was moral and immoral in the past is still moral and immoral now. People's views about it might have changed but morality itself hasn't.

Whether or not to take care of one's bathroom needs in the house or outside is not a question of morality.
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Your premise is based on your being a theist. I do not agree that morals are absolute. Humans form societies and based on compromise create laws. Societies deem what is moral and what is immoral.
 
Is it moral for a 13 year old girl to get married and pregnant, in modern America its likely immoral, because you are robbing her of a lot of opportunity and possibility.

Was it moral in the time of Jesus, likely so, because she was not going to have other options and her lifespan was likely very short.
 
Is it immoral to feed your kids uncooked shellfish... no.

500 years ago before refrigeration when a bacterial infection likely would result in death... yes.
 
Is premarital sex immoral... when doing so is likely to result in an unwanted child with parents that were unlikely to be able to care for it, YES.
.... when its not likely to result in an unwanted child, no.
 
Morality does not change, what actions are moral or amoral do. Its as simple as that, but fundamentalists cant grasp that concept.
 
Jarod said:
Is premarital sex immoral... when doing so is likely to result in an unwanted child with parents that were unlikely to be able to care for it, YES.
.... when its not likely to result in an unwanted child, no.
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So you gonna write or re-write a list of principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior......as only you see them....
Aren't you going to ask for input from some Jehovah Witnesses, some Jews, some Buddhists or Catholics or Fundamentalists ?
How about the Muslims or the hundreds of other countrys that have cultures different than yours....they may not quite agree with your views on morality.....
 
Jarod said:
Morality does not change, what actions are moral or amoral do. Its as simple as that, but fundamentalists cant grasp that concept.
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Morality is forever changing.....just think of the hundreds of cultures whose morals and ideas of 'right and wrong' are totally different than ours....are we right
and they are wrong ?......Some dude in Iran is gonna get his eyes plucked out for throwing acid into the face of a young girl as punishment.....
in the US he would get a three meals a day, a roof over his head, excellent medical care and a basketball court for a couple of years......obviously, morality and the sense of right and wrong vary according to culture.....
 
NOVA said:
Morality is forever changing.....just think of the hundreds of cultures whose morals and ideas of 'right and wrong' are totally different than ours....are we right
and they are wrong ?......Some dude in Iran is gonna get his eyes plucked out for throwing acid into the face of a young girl as punishment.....
in the US he would get a three meals a day, a roof over his head, excellent medical care and a basketball court for a couple of years......obviously, morality and the sense of right and wrong vary according to culture.....
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No, moral is ever constant. Some ciuntries are amoral. Iran for example. Of course its not everyone there but if they tolerate this from their government then their silence is assent.
 
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