Do I Have The Right To Leave This Country For Good?

The 12th Man said:
I'd like to see that list - perhaps you could link it up.

Also, if you choose to act like a complete moron, then you will be perceived to be southern. Since you have adopted southern politics, you might as well live down there.
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You're another ass hole who's obsessed with football and a victim of compulsory education. Stay off my thread - parking lot philosopher.

All those Seattle Seahawks you're currently worshipping are all out on their pleasure yaughts and on the golf courses while you remain the dumbed down moron that you are and they could care less about you.

You're a poor man's peg pants - screw you.
 
You don't own jack shit!
Your property is a guarante to get taxed by government takers.
Over time the will get more than you paid
 
Unicron said:
Learn to accept when you're wrong and we won't have to go through all this again.
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No I understand that you're nothing but a troll with your one liner statements and responses who has always believed that you're better than I am.

And I don't have to learn a damn thing off a troll who has a major one for white evangelical protestants.

Now shut your pie hole troll, you've got nothing to contribute but trolling.
 
philly rabbit said:
No I understand that you're nothing but a troll with your one liner statements and responses who has always believed that you're better than I am.

And I don't have to learn a damn thing off a troll who has a major one for white evangelical protestants.

Now shut your pie hole troll, you've got nothing to contribute but trolling.
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I've empirically proven that states do not have the same rights as individuals. States do not have any inherent rights at all in fact, they have only powers that we have ceded to them, which are inherent to us as individuals.
 
philly rabbit said:
My land is my private property, it doesn't belong to you pal, it belongs to me. When my state leaves the union that guarantees that I can take my private property - my land with me if I go out too. That's one of the important functions of my state being the protection of my private property from federal seizure. If I decide to leave the union on my own and my state decides not to then I must relinquish my private property in order to do so but if I follow my state out of the union then everything I own including my land goes with me.

There are federal institutions situated in my state such as federal buildings and military installations but when my state leaves, those federal institutions have to get out while I maintain my own private property.
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I said, "so.... would you agree that you would need a majority of the citizenry of any state for the petition to any more valuable than a piece of toilet paper?"

you, as an individual in your state may want to secede from the Union, but until a majority of the citizenry in your state agrees with you on that issue, who gives a shit? You ain't goin' nowhere and you're gonna have to live here, in the USA, and abide by all of our laws. You are certainly free to go somewhere else, however.
 
America is going to break up eventually just like every other civilized nation has - it's only a matter of time. America has never been this divided before like it currently is - politically - racially - and culturally and it's on the brink of doing just that - breaking up and imploding. A secession could turn the tide in America if enough states secede and could be the catalyst in politically exterminating the Washington establishment of elites, disassembling the entire tax structure in which the elites draw their power from and restoring liberty (not freedom) to the American mainland.

Or the secession will succeed in forming a new republic that follows a constitution that America was supposed to adhere to with free trade and products obtained from the rest of the world and purchases obtained from the badly severed U.S.A. Either way, you're not going to get a violent solution to forcing the different states to stay where they are at because the elites in Washington want to maintain their tax revenue. the federal power will be forced to raise it's taxes on the remaining citizens and that tax revolt will not result in a cry for military action against the new republic but instead, a very possible violent revolt on the part of the citizens against the established elites.

If violence does occur.
 
philly rabbit said:
America is going to break up eventually just like every other civilized nation has - it's only a matter of time. America has never been this divided before like it currently is - politically - racially - and culturally and it's on the brink of doing just that - breaking up and imploding. A secession could turn the tide in America if enough states secede and could be the catalyst in politically exterminating the Washington establishment of elites, disassembling the entire tax structure in which the elites draw their power from and restoring liberty (not freedom) to the American mainland.

Or the secession will succeed in forming a new republic that follows a constitution that America was supposed to adhere to with free trade and products obtained from the rest of the world and purchases obtained from the badly severed U.S.A. Either way, you're not going to get a violent solution to forcing the different states to stay where they are at because the elites in Washington want to maintain their tax revenue. the federal power will be forced to raise it's taxes on the remaining citizens and that tax revolt will not result in a cry for military action against the new republic but instead, a very possible violent revolt on the part of the citizens against the established elites.

If violence does occur.
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Do you have a projected time frame for this occurring? Are you talking within our lifetimes? Within the next century?
 
maineman said:
I said, "so.... would you agree that you would need a majority of the citizenry of any state for the petition to any more valuable than a piece of toilet paper?"

you, as an individual in your state may want to secede from the Union, but until a majority of the citizenry in your state agrees with you on that issue, who gives a shit? You ain't goin' nowhere and you're gonna have to live here, in the USA, and abide by all of our laws. You are certainly free to go somewhere else, however.
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What are you talking about? I already said all that so why are you repeating what I've stated?

I said the key is private property rights and I need the state to secede first before I can bring my private property with me if I go too.

You need help with your reading comprehension. And you also better get this notion out of your head that Americans have all fallen in love, head over heels with you and this society of nihilism, egalitarianism, and moral degradation that you leftists have created for them also because they have not and they are repulsed greatly by every aspect of what you've done.

The greatest penchant all of you have always adhered to is this attitude of forcing your views on other Americans usually through the judicial and sometimes even violently and that has always gone against the very grain of human nature itself.
 
philly rabbit said:
What are you talking about? I already said all that so why are you repeating what I've stated?

I said the key is private property rights and I need the state to secede first before I can bring my private property with me if I go too.

You need help with your reading comprehension. And you also better get this notion out of your head that Americans have all fallen in love, head over heels with you and this society of nihilism, egalitarianism, and moral degradation that you leftists have created for them also because they have not and they are repulsed greatly by every aspect of what you've done.

The greatest penchant all of you have always adhered to is this attitude of forcing your views on other Americans usually through the judicial and sometimes even violently and that has always gone against the very grain of human nature itself.
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which state in the union has any more than, perhaps, 2% of its population wanting to secede?
 
cawacko said:
I'm not saying it will or won't happen. I'm asking when you think it will happen, it wasn't a rhetorical question.
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I don't know exactly when but all the signs are already in place.

The goal here by secession is to exterminate the political culture of the country and to politically exterminate the Washington elites. If that can be accomplished without secession and only by it's threat then that would be the most preferred scenario.
 
Americans are always afraid of the federal authority and it's IRS and it's justice department as measures to keep the population in line as it does as it pleases disregarding it's constitutional boundaries along its merry way.. The secession threat turns the tables on the fed and creates an atmosphere for the government fearing the citizens in the states for a big change.

The entire world would then become the federal government's jury determining the legality of the fed's counter actions if it does decide to react out of fear in any prescribed manner over secession threats.
 
Breaking up an existing State is always a complicated business. Here in Europe it's been accepted in Czechoslovakia, violently but unsuccessfully opposed in Yugoslavia, is in the balance in Belgium and is detested by the Spanish bossmen and not even considered by the French little-girl-bulliers. Here in the UK it is technically accepted, but any rise in the proportion of Scots likely to vote for independence creates a great deal of fixing by the English bossybritches. A great deal depends on the degree of swaggering nastiness the bosses go in for - it was sick under the US's fascist-type parasite in Spain. Mere economic robbery doesn't cut it, seemingly - the 'English' stole everything of ours here in Cymru that wasn't not only nailed down but fixed with superglue, with the result that our serfs think we are 'too poor' to break free. Total independence in today's world is only for stinking-rich capitalists and their grovellers. An interesting question, this one.
 
iolo said:
Breaking up an existing State is always a complicated business. Here in Europe it's been accepted in Czechoslovakia, violently but unsuccessfully opposed in Yugoslavia, is in the balance in Belgium and is detested by the Spanish bossmen and not even considered by the French little-girl-bulliers. Here in the UK it is technically accepted, but any rise in the proportion of Scots likely to vote for independence creates a great deal of fixing by the English bossybritches. A great deal depends on the degree of swaggering nastiness the bosses go in for - it was sick under the US's fascist-type parasite in Spain. Mere economic robbery doesn't cut it, seemingly - the 'English' stole everything of ours here in Cymru that wasn't not only nailed down but fixed with superglue, with the result that our serfs think we are 'too poor' to break free. Total independence in today's world is only for stinking-rich capitalists and their grovellers. An interesting question, this one.
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Ireland seceded from you and so did India. The American colonies / states also seceded from you. Scotland is trying to secede from you.

You should be well know ledged over secession by now and an authoritarian attitude toward it has never stopped it and never will no matter how much violence is applied trying to.
 
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