Where are Snap On tools made? I wasn't aware they had a lifetime gaurantee.
Sears Craftsman Tools Now Made in China, You kidding me? What's next?
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Where are Snap On tools made? I wasn't aware they had a lifetime gaurantee.
So they are made in China...I wonder why that is?
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Ridgid works very well. they have a very nice trim router I have my eyes on....and at a hundred bucks, its very well priced.
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I believe that they do. I think quite a few of them are still American made.
Billy the Great Khan
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Really? You know more about metallurgy than a guy who runs a metallurgy lab huh? Want to put some money on that?
SJJRSJJS
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One of the great swap meets ever was the huge Cypress College Swap Meet every Saturday and Sunday in Orange County, Ca. They had all these great used older USA Tools that I would buy from certain old timer dealers, specialty tools like around the corner carburetor adjusters for a Weber two barrel progressive on a VW Bug, where the adjustment screw was up against the fan shroud. The Chinese Tools and Knives look good to the eye, it is the steel that is questionable, or the wrench fit on the nut is a shade too big, so it might tend to round off the nut over time, little things that irritate half ass mechanics like myself....lol
christiefan915
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I thought Bosch was just dishwashers.
christiefan915
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Don't know if you remember this but a few years ago Low addressed this topic. He said the Chinese make the products from American specs. So if the product isn't best-quality the blame belongs to the company that's cutting corners, not the foreign workers.
Do these people really think there's no quality control, and that someone doesn't look at the finished product and say "hey, this isn't what we contracted for."
Billy the Great Khan
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This is mostly correct, however the Chinese quality control with most things isn't up to par. Of course it's not some deep secret that is hidden from the businesses that contract them, so it's still allowable.
SJJRSJJS
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If you read any of my posts on this subject with all the negative comments from other sources, aka customers who bought Commie Junk products, you know that I am Right. There is no way that we can test all the knives or tools that the Commies make, so some crappy stuff sneaks through, aka their "Quality Control". On domestic Government orders, they randomly select a few items out of a huge batch, and if one tests bad, they reject the entire order. Since tools and knives are basically not in the same category as military products, they accept their word for the quality, maybe test a few at the beginning. It is the consumers who have declared that the Commie Chinese knives, tools and guns are inferior.
I don't know who this Mod named "French 75" is, but this dude/dudette is not playing with a full Quality Control deck, if he thinks that he/she knows moore than I do about, Knives, Swords or guns. "French 75" maybe stands for the worse gun ever invented, the French "Sho Sho". After all the stuff that I have posted backing up everything that I have said about Commie Crap Knives, Tools and guns, he/she(Sho Sho) stills wants to bet me that I am basically wrong....LOL...I may piss my pants if "Sho Sho" keeps this sheet up. From now on, "French 75" will be also known as "Sho Sho" to me. Why do these Libs, even Lib Mods like "Sho Sho", think that they can mess with the MAN(ME), I constantly make them look bad, and "Sho Sho" looks like he/she does not know what he/she is talking about concerning Commie Quality control, it is what it is..........
........"The Chauchat's(Sho Sho) construction was composite thus not fully consistent in terms of parts quality. The recoiling barrel sleeve as well as all the bolt moving parts were precision milled from solid steel and always fully interchangeable. The barrels were standard Lebel rifle barrels that had been shortened from the muzzle end. The barrel radiators were made of ribbed cast aluminum. On the other hand, the outer breech housing was a simple tube and the rest of the gun was built of stamped metal plates of mediocre quality. Side plate assemblies were held by screws that could become loose after prolonged firings. The sights were always misaligned on the Gladiator-made guns, creating severe aiming problems that had to be corrected by the gunners...................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat
Now "French 75" will probably debate WIKI about the junkiness of the FRENCH SHO SHO. The Sho Sho represents what you may get from any Commie/Socialized Society, of course there are exceptions like when the Germans ran over the fast retreating French during WW2, probably because they were shooting other crappy weapons similar to the Sho Sho......go ahead and say it Sho Sho;... "NO MAS"!!!!
Billy the Great Khan
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You wanna put your money up to match your mouth?
SJJRSJJS
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About what, if this was a competition round in the famous debate that the great Darla eventually won, I handed you your ass in spades. Now it is your turn to prove me wrong, since all you have been doing is posturing with your "you wanta bet" BS, start showing me web proof that I am wrong. I am turning this around on you Mr. Mod Boss, I Double Dog Dare You in front of your "subjects" to prove yourself? They all know that I have dominated you in the arena of ideas, so the ball is in your court, butt you cannot keep double dribbling no mo. I will be back in about 1 hour, give you time to make your case..bye bye
Billy the Great Khan
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Ok. $1000 says Chinese steel is the exact same quality as American steel. Since I run a metallurgy lab, and deal with both steels, I'll cut up various parts and run a battery of tests, and evaluate the microstructure.
SJJRSJJS
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If what you say is true about the Lab, great but book learning sometimes means tunnel vision, especially if someone is a hard core Leftist like a Jane Fonda, for instance, who would come on this Forum and probably try to defend the Chinese Junk Products like you are trying to do here, when I have repeatedly posted links to experts who say otherwise. Chinese 44OC steel would be the same specs, but with the Chinese Junk knives, there would be cases where the Chinese Knife said 440C stainless on the blade, but my test would prove otherwise. My "certified" test is how the blade sharpens and how it holds a "working" edge, and that does not require a degree. As a Metallurgist, you should know that, so that leads me to believe that you are blowing smoke. My Brother is a Mechanical Engineer and my Dad was one of the top Iron Foundrymen in the Country, so I gots good "Jeans". You need to get a book on common sense and read it, and quit all this betting crap, Zappy bet me on the old Board and I won $45.00, and he never paid off, typical Leftist bravado without any substance. By the way, 440C actually will lightly rust, and draws to a magnet, whereas some cheap stainless will not draw to a magnet, you sabe?
SJJRSJJS
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Frenchy 75 left the building folks, I ran him/her off, can you believe it? I must be a real bad ass to make a Mod run away? I lovingly called Frenchy 75 "Sho Sho", maybe that was it, it never went over very well, I guess. If you cannot stand the heat, then get out of the Kitchen, and "Sho Sho" did, o well....
Billy the Great Khan
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You're right, quality assurance testing has nothing to do with quality. I mean, if it did, it'd be in the name.
Considering you don't know what the hell you're talking about with regards to...anything... Yeah.
No, you haven't.
Well, first of all the 440C isn't a Chinese designation. It's a AISI designation. 2nd, there is no metallurigcal difference between steels from ANY nation. German, American, Swedish, Swiss, Chinese, Etc. It's all the same. I deal with it all every day, in applications more strenuous than anything you'd ever put a knife through.
Ah, so it's entirely variable and not at all scientific. Noted.
Well then, it'd be an easy $1,000 right? So put up the money.
My grandfather was a fighter pilot and my cousin is part of the UN Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Neither of those makes me an expert in either field you moron.
What sort of Jeans? Levis? Dickies? I like Dickies myself, but they're made in China too.
Yeah, thousands of hours of real world experience are meanlingless aren't they?
If you're too poor to afford a measly $1,000 for a bet, name a different price.
Yeah, ALL 400 series stainless (Martensitic stainless for those of us actually in the industry) draws a magnet. All stainless steel will "rust" if the chromium oxide coating is penetrated.
It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about if you think magnetism is the sign of quality in a stainless steel. So are you willing to take the bet or not?
Billy the Great Khan
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You're a fucking moron. For all the time you spent Googling the Chauchat, you could have actually Googled my namesake, the French 75. 2nd, I'm at work, in my metallurgy lab, performing metallurgical tests.
Billy the Great Khan
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Oh, and since you're SOOO hung up on 440C stainless for knives, here's your problem; 440c is shit. It's garbage. Spend the money and get something made of S7 or HS-13. Ya know, good steel.
SJJRSJJS
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Here is a web page that tells all about knife making materials and your two steels are not even listed...enough said, I win the debate!!!.....................
..............."About Blade Steel
The most common blade material used to make knives is iron and carbon that is enhanced with a variety of elements such as chromium, vanadium, manganese, and more. Different types of steel are created by adjusting the amounts of each material that is added. Stainless steels, for instance, are created by adding more rust resistant materials.
Finishing processes play a large role in creating blade steel. Processes such as rolling and heat treating have a great affect on performance. Each material performs differently under varying finishing processes.
154CM
This is an American made stainless steel that was originally developed to make turbine blades in jet engines. It is very similar to ATS-34. It's very corrosion resistant and has good toughness and edge quality.
440C
This is a stainless steel that is used on many factory manufactured knife blades. It is very tough and extremely stain resistant. It holds an edge well and is fairly easy to sharpen. It is generally hardened to between 56 and 59 Rc., and makes a great all around blade. 440C is far superior to most other 400 series steels. 440A and 440B are not as good.
ATS-34
This is a stainless steel that comes from Japan and is very similar to The U.S.'s 154CM. It became very popular with knife makers in the 1990's as a higher quality alternative to 440C. The steel is not as rust resistant as 440C, but holds a better edge. The carbon content is 1.04% . It works best when hardened to between 59 Rc to 61 Rc.
AUS-8
This steel has a low carbon to chromium ratio. It is very resistant to corrosion, and is very tough, but does not hold an edge as well as many other steel variations with higher carbon content.
BG-42
This material is a stainless steel. It has a better edge holding ability than 44C and ATS-34, and is tougher than ATS-34. Works best when hardened to 61 - 63 Rc.
D2
This material is a very high carbon steel (1.5%) that has superb edge holding ability and unmatched wear resistance, but lacks toughness. It is not as corrosion resistant as 440C or ATS-34, and is not considered a stainless steel because it only has 12% chrome. Stainless blades have 13% or more.
Damascus
Damascus is made of a variety of steels that are layered together. The finishing process involves an acid etch that exposes the surface lines. The end result is a tough blade with good edge quality. It is quite expensive and used mostly for its artistic nature.
H1
H1's claim to fame is its corrosion resistance. Blades made of the material sacrifice edge quality for this corrosion resistance and toughness.
M2
This is an extremely tough, tool grade steel. It is used mostly for industrial cutting tasks. The steel has superb strength and is extremely wear resistant, but is highly susceptible to corrosion.
S30V
This is a premium grade steel that was designed in the U.S. for knife making. It has very good edge holding ability and is very corrosion resistant.
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/research/knife_information/blade_steel.php
SJJRSJJS
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Older and better Buck knives were made out of 440C