Sears Craftsman Tools Now Made in China, You kidding me? What's next?

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Go into any major store like Target and Wal-Mart and start looking at all the products made in China. I was looking at Sears tools in our Temecula Mall last month and every one of the, they used to be great, Craftsman Tools, that I looked at(many) were made in China, I could hardly believe my eyes.

From my experience, Chinese made products are inferior to our's, Japan's, Taiwan's and even Korea's. Take a look at the Chinese made clothes and how thin the material is. The Chinese stuff looks good on the outside, but try to look on the "inside". Their pants are borderline too short in the crotch area, shirts too small/tight to save material, Shoes are too narrow, try finding wide Chinese made shoes. I used to hear how if you ate at a Chinese Restaurant, you would be hungry in two hours because everything is superficial, to get you to buy it, with no "substance" and their Products seem to reflect that old saying, flash with no built in lasting quality.

I used to collect knives along with Japanese Katana and any knife made in China is suspect as to its material(metal composition and hardening) construction, either too brittle(hard to sharpen) or too soft(won't hold an edge). In my kitchen I have mostly German made Henckels, a couple Cutcos and one Henckel from China. I am constantly re-sharpening the Chinese Henckel. On the contrary, my other collection knives made in Japan are very good.

Years ago I bought a couple Russian SKS's(since sold) and they were great guns with the barrels screwed into the receivers. I had looked at the Norinco SKS made in China, which had a cheaper price. Someone really in the know stepped up and told me how cheaply made the Chinese SKS's were, with the barrels pressed into the receiver instead of being screwed into it, and that over time, the barrel might work itself loose and actuall blow up, and that was the start of my watching out for Chinese Junk sold over here....all true........................

................................"I was cleaning my SKS last night, and when I looked down the barrel, I noticed a rather nasty bulge about 2"-3" down the pipe from the muzzle.

It can't be felt from the outside, but it is there nonetheless. To the best of my knowledge, the Norinco SKS barrels are pressed in vice threaded on.

Does anyone know hoow to get the barrel off and how to install a replacement (and where to obtain said replacement)?

Being pressed, I imagine that it would be more trouble than it is worth, but I'd like to try anyway as this SKS is the first rifle I ever bought (and the only reason I still have it)"..................

...................."It is my understanding that some of these rifles have pressed and pinned barrels while others have threaded barrels. The method varies depending upon the particular factory that produced the rifle. Another real problem with the Chinese SKS rifles is that their doesn't appear to be any fixed set of standards from one factory to the next. Every factory seems to be using their own specs. In my experience with these rifles it seems that parts will always require hand fitting. They can really be a nightmare to work on. The book "Practical Gunsmithing" from DBI books has a whole chapter dedicated to Gunsmith Kinks for troubleshooting and repair of the SKS. I've decked out a half dozen of them for friends as Sporters. All but one of them required a lot of hand fitting for the new scope mount dustcovers. I haven't done any barrel work with them. I would imagine that fitting up a new barrel could be a difficult project on a Chinese SKS".........................
http://www.proshooter.org/cgi/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000028;p=0
 
I used to collect knives along with Japanese Katana and any knife made in China is suspect as to its material(metal composition and hardening) construction, either too brittle(hard to sharpen) or too soft(won't hold an edge).

Oh really now? I'd like to see your experience in metallurgy and metallurgical testing that led you to such a conclusion.
 
Oh really now? I'd like to see your experience in metallurgy and metallurgical testing that led you to such a conclusion.
Do you want me to post a photo of my knves, with my thumb in it, like I used to on the old Board? I just explained(again) that I collected Japanese Samurai Swords(since sold) and actually belonged to a major Japanese Sword collecting Club, still have my old membership card. I have many books on how to tell the maker and era of a blade, so yes I do know quality steel when I look at it. The time required sharpening and the amount of re-sharpening of a knife usually tells the story as to its metal hardness which is the major issue with "working" knives, not cosmetics. I have already said that but maybe I need to post a website explaining it moore to you. Do you like Chinese Commie products? I have a lot of Craftman tools, (Lifetime Guarantee) and yes I am well versed in Metallurgy as far as guns, knives and swords are concerned. You must own Chinese Craftman tools, so naturally you feel the need to defend your illinformed Commie purchases. Next paragraph is from the knife experts on Ebay as to purchasing Chinese "Junk" Commie knives. I should say TOUCHE', but I won't out of respect for Forum Mods who are usually in the know about most things..................

................."No way can China compete with U.S.A. Cutlery. China knives are made with recycled steel. U.S.A. knives are made from new steel.

Most commonly you see 440 Stainless Steel. 440C was the first generally accepted knife makers' stainless and remains quite popular, particularly since the sub-zero process was developed to add toughness. 440C produces an excellent, serviceable and durable knife, even for the new knife maker. Anneals at very low temperature. Please note that 440A and 440B are similar alloys, often confused with 440C, but not worth a damn for knife making use and wont hold an edge through one slice of bread. Commercial knife companies often mark blades 440 when they're one of the less desirable versions giving the real stuff a bad name.
420HC Surgical Stainless, Other High Carbon Steel or Tool Steel is whats wanted in America. These steels have the hardness for a Great America. Many American companies have gone to China for GARBAGE KNIVES. The dealers won't even include in their auctions MADE IN CHINA Why? Because it's JUNK , GARBAGE , TRASH. If you see a listing and the seller says ( manufactured off shore ) that means China cut and run.

Buck Knives still has almost all it's Cutlery US made (Don't buy the Buck folding pocket knives with wood scales or red jigged bone, they are all Made In China). Case, Queen, Moore Maker and Colonial is 100% USA. Other companies have closed their doors, SHRADE, OLD TIMER, UNCLE HENRY, CAMILUS , SMITH & WESSON , all made in China.
Shipment of scrap steel from New York's collapsed World Trade Center went to Shanghai according to media reports. The steel was bought by Shanghai Baosteel Group Corp., and several other domestic mills, which are always eager to buy scrap metal. Scrap metal contains different steels and other metals and impurities. Scrap has to be processed in different ways to make the desirable steels.
Baosteel Group, the nation's largest steel firm, has purchased 50,000 tons of the scrap steel from "Ground Zero," the ruins of the September 11 terrorist attack, at no more than US$120 each ton, according to Beijing Youth Daily.

China, the world's largest steel maker in terms of output, relies heavily on imports of scrap for its steel production. Example, China imported 5.1 million tons of scrap in 2000.
Don't buy it now , ask the Seller Where is it Made , when they answer China, say I'm Not Interested , I want a real knife. If the letters stamped on the tang aren't USA you don't want it".......................
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Knives-Made-In-China-Good-Or-bad-/10000000001903693/g.html
 
Do you want me to post a photo of my knves, with my thumb in it, like I used to on the old Board? I just explained(again) that I collected Japanese Samurai Swords(since sold) and actually belonged to a major Japanese Sword collecting Club, still have my old membership card. I have many books on how to tell the maker and era of a blade, so yes I do know quality steel when I look at it. The time required sharpening and the amount of re-sharpening of a knife usually tells the story as to its metal hardness which is the major issue with "working" knives, not cosmetics. I have already said that but maybe I need to post a website explaining it moore to you. Do you like Chinese Commie products? I have a lot of Craftman tools, (Lifetime Guarantee) and yes I am well versed in Metallurgy as far as guns, knives and swords are concerned. You must own Chinese Craftman tools, so naturally you feel the need to defend your illinformed Commie purchases. Next paragraph is from the knife experts on Ebay as to purchasing Chinese "Junk" Commie knives. I should say TOUCHE', but I won't out of respect for Forum Mods who are usually in the know about most things..................

................."No way can China compete with U.S.A. Cutlery. China knives are made with recycled steel. U.S.A. knives are made from new steel.

Most commonly you see 440 Stainless Steel. 440C was the first generally accepted knife makers' stainless and remains quite popular, particularly since the sub-zero process was developed to add toughness. 440C produces an excellent, serviceable and durable knife, even for the new knife maker. Anneals at very low temperature. Please note that 440A and 440B are similar alloys, often confused with 440C, but not worth a damn for knife making use and wont hold an edge through one slice of bread. Commercial knife companies often mark blades 440 when they're one of the less desirable versions giving the real stuff a bad name.
420HC Surgical Stainless, Other High Carbon Steel or Tool Steel is whats wanted in America. These steels have the hardness for a Great America. Many American companies have gone to China for GARBAGE KNIVES. The dealers won't even include in their auctions MADE IN CHINA Why? Because it's JUNK , GARBAGE , TRASH. If you see a listing and the seller says ( manufactured off shore ) that means China cut and run.

Buck Knives still has almost all it's Cutlery US made (Don't buy the Buck folding pocket knives with wood scales or red jigged bone, they are all Made In China). Case, Queen, Moore Maker and Colonial is 100% USA. Other companies have closed their doors, SHRADE, OLD TIMER, UNCLE HENRY, CAMILUS , SMITH & WESSON , all made in China.
Shipment of scrap steel from New York's collapsed World Trade Center went to Shanghai according to media reports. The steel was bought by Shanghai Baosteel Group Corp., and several other domestic mills, which are always eager to buy scrap metal. Scrap metal contains different steels and other metals and impurities. Scrap has to be processed in different ways to make the desirable steels.
Baosteel Group, the nation's largest steel firm, has purchased 50,000 tons of the scrap steel from "Ground Zero," the ruins of the September 11 terrorist attack, at no more than US$120 each ton, according to Beijing Youth Daily.

China, the world's largest steel maker in terms of output, relies heavily on imports of scrap for its steel production. Example, China imported 5.1 million tons of scrap in 2000.
Don't buy it now , ask the Seller Where is it Made , when they answer China, say I'm Not Interested , I want a real knife. If the letters stamped on the tang aren't USA you don't want it".......................
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Knives-Made-In-China-Good-Or-bad-/10000000001903693/g.html
Capisce?
 
Don't buy Craftsmen. I am sure you can buy American Made tools that suit your needs.

Don't the Chinese deserve economic growth?
I have bought a few Chinese Commie things like a Coffee maker, because it is now increasingly difficult to find American made stuff. As far as tools go, I have a 5 foot high tool cabinet full of mostly American and some older Japanese Tools, just about everything in hand tools, mostly Cratsman, with some Mac and Snap-On. I will pay more and buy German/Japanese made stuff, if need be, before I will ever buy Chinese Junk again. Isn't it amazing how the Leftists on this Board try to defend The Commie Producers? Here is someone who also questioned Commie made Craftsman Tools.......................

......................"While checking out some Craftsman tools online and discovering too many made in China for my liking, I decided to drop them a quick note on their comment section. Although my email to them was just a spur of the moment thought and not necessarily overly substantive, it is attached however, their response as to what led to their decision may be of interest.


Good afternoon Mr. Smith,

Thank you for contacting Sears.com.

We appreciate your loyalty to the Craftsman brand. Please understand that our decision to manufacture some of our Craftsman tools outside the United States was not made lightly. Craftsman customers demand a high quality product at a value added price point and that it be backed by our Forever warranty. In order to be able to deliver all three of these benefits, we decided to manufacture some of our Craftsman tools outside of the USA. We hope you will continue to support the Craftsman brand.
We appreciate your business and hope you will continue to make Sears Holdings your choice for quality and value. Please let us know if we can assist you further. We are here to help.

Original Message Follows:

Comments: Why is Sears/Craftsman throwing away decades of reputation by having most of your mechanics tools now made in China. Craftsman was the one name that many professionals/home mechanics/handymen used to be able to count on for quality. Chinese tools are not the same quality and experienced users know the difference. Please see the error of your ways and switch back to quality US made tools before it puts the Craftsman name out of business!
Thank you
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=181081

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A simple "no, I do not have metallurgical knowledge" would have sufficed instead of the jumbled mass of words your vomited forth.
I said and am saying now that I do have metallurgical knowledge, Capisce in Sicilian means "do you get it". Also, from yopur replies, I know that I know way moore about metal than you do, and I capisce that for sure. Again, why do you feel that you have to so vigorously defend Chinese Commie Products, splain that to me?

What do you think of the Commie Manifesto, which I have Right in front of me now, in case you want to question even that, since you seem in the dark/confused about everything so far up to now? You refer to a Jumbled mass of words, of course it is jumbled for you to understand and I undertstand why it seems jumbled to you, but anyone with a cutlery background expertise like I have, would capisce what I have posted real good.
 
I am a tool nut. I buy American made tools. they are not cheap. Check out Lie Nielson for good wood working tools. You will drop three hundred bucks on a hand plane, verses thirty on a Chinese made piece of junk at Lowes. But it will work fantastically for centuries if you treat it right. LEE Valley-Veritas have excellent tools made in the US, Canada, and Japan.

Bad Axe Tool works makes fantastic saws, they are made by a small firm in Wisconsin. But expect to pay $200-300 on a saw.

Old Diston hand saws can be found at garage sales and re sharpened if you take your time. or they can be purchased from antique tool dealers, but again, expect to drop a couple hundred a saw. I own several, they work much better than anything out of china.

For power tools, check out Festool. they are made in Germany. their battery drills are tested to 1 million screws. They have disassembled battery drills that have a million screws under their belt...and found no appreciable wear. But expect again to drop $250-$400 on a drill....but you will never need another drill.

Vintage American made tools are available online or from private individuals if you take the time to look. Again, infinitely better IMHO.

Powermatic makes tools in the US also. If your looking for a table saw, check out Saw Stop. It's actually smart enough to keep you from cutting your fingers off. Google it....it might save a finger....

Enjoy, and if you want any specific tool recommendations, let me know. I am a tool fanatic....
 
...and there are decent Chinese made products. I have a set of Wood River chisels that are decent....but the American made Lie Nielson tools really kick their ass all over creation, as do the fantastic Veritas chisels.

I prefer not to buy Chinese if at all possible. My son is in boy scouts ( he made Eagle last month) and I use vintage/older Scout uniforms rather than let him wear Chinese made uniforms.

You may want to Google PMV-11. It is a new proprietary steel that is used in edge tools. This is the kind of innovation we see in the western world, but not from China.
 
I am a tool nut. I buy American made tools. they are not cheap. Check out Lie Nielson for good wood working tools. You will drop three hundred bucks on a hand plane, verses thirty on a Chinese made piece of junk at Lowes. But it will work fantastically for centuries if you treat it right. LEE Valley-Veritas have excellent tools made in the US, Canada, and Japan.

Bad Axe Tool works makes fantastic saws, they are made by a small firm in Wisconsin. But expect to pay $200-300 on a saw.

Old Diston hand saws can be found at garage sales and re sharpened if you take your time. or they can be purchased from antique tool dealers, but again, expect to drop a couple hundred a saw. I own several, they work much better than anything out of china.

For power tools, check out Festool. they are made in Germany. their battery drills are tested to 1 million screws. They have disassembled battery drills that have a million screws under their belt...and found no appreciable wear. But expect again to drop $250-$400 on a drill....but you will never need another drill.

Vintage American made tools are available online or from private individuals if you take the time to look. Again, infinitely better IMHO.

Powermatic makes tools in the US also. If your looking for a table saw, check out Saw Stop. It's actually smart enough to keep you from cutting your fingers off. Google it....it might save a finger....

Enjoy, and if you want any specific tool recommendations, let me know. I am a tool fanatic....
You had a 66 Mustang and I used to own a 1966 GTO with three Two's, with the motor redone a little to a over 400 hp at 3600 pounds. It ran pretty strong, but the pocket rockets would run away from it now, it is mostly about power to weight in drag racing, which I used to do years ago at Lions Drag Strip in Long Beach, Ca, off Alameda.
 
Go into any major store like Target and Wal-Mart and start looking at all the products made in China. I was looking at Sears tools in our Temecula Mall last month and every one of the, they used to be great, Craftsman Tools, that I looked at(many) were made in China, I could hardly believe my eyes.

From my experience, Chinese made products are inferior to our's, Japan's, Taiwan's and even Korea's. Take a look at the Chinese made clothes and how thin the material is. The Chinese stuff looks good on the outside, but try to look on the "inside". Their pants are borderline too short in the crotch area, shirts too small/tight to save material, Shoes are too narrow, try finding wide Chinese made shoes. I used to hear how if you ate at a Chinese Restaurant, you would be hungry in two hours because everything is superficial, to get you to buy it, with no "substance" and their Products seem to reflect that old saying, flash with no built in lasting quality.

I used to collect knives along with Japanese Katana and any knife made in China is suspect as to its material(metal composition and hardening) construction, either too brittle(hard to sharpen) or too soft(won't hold an edge). In my kitchen I have mostly German made Henckels, a couple Cutcos and one Henckel from China. I am constantly re-sharpening the Chinese Henckel. On the contrary, my other collection knives made in Japan are very good.

Years ago I bought a couple Russian SKS's(since sold) and they were great guns with the barrels screwed into the receivers. I had looked at the Norinco SKS made in China, which had a cheaper price. Someone really in the know stepped up and told me how cheaply made the Chinese SKS's were, with the barrels pressed into the receiver instead of being screwed into it, and that over time, the barrel might work itself loose and actuall blow up, and that was the start of my watching out for Chinese Junk sold over here....all true........................

................................"I was cleaning my SKS last night, and when I looked down the barrel, I noticed a rather nasty bulge about 2"-3" down the pipe from the muzzle.

It can't be felt from the outside, but it is there nonetheless. To the best of my knowledge, the Norinco SKS barrels are pressed in vice threaded on.

Does anyone know hoow to get the barrel off and how to install a replacement (and where to obtain said replacement)?

Being pressed, I imagine that it would be more trouble than it is worth, but I'd like to try anyway as this SKS is the first rifle I ever bought (and the only reason I still have it)"..................

...................."It is my understanding that some of these rifles have pressed and pinned barrels while others have threaded barrels. The method varies depending upon the particular factory that produced the rifle. Another real problem with the Chinese SKS rifles is that their doesn't appear to be any fixed set of standards from one factory to the next. Every factory seems to be using their own specs. In my experience with these rifles it seems that parts will always require hand fitting. They can really be a nightmare to work on. The book "Practical Gunsmithing" from DBI books has a whole chapter dedicated to Gunsmith Kinks for troubleshooting and repair of the SKS. I've decked out a half dozen of them for friends as Sporters. All but one of them required a lot of hand fitting for the new scope mount dustcovers. I haven't done any barrel work with them. I would imagine that fitting up a new barrel could be a difficult project on a Chinese SKS".........................
http://www.proshooter.org/cgi/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000028;p=0

This is what is next...

http://www.stratasys.com/3D-Printers/production-series
 
There is only one reason to buy Sears Craftsman tools; because they are gauranteed for life; no questions asked.

I tested this theory one time when my brother-in-law and I uncovered an old rusty Sears Craftsman wrench in his back yard while digging a pool.

I cleaned the dirt off and took it to Sears to see if they would replace it. The salesman looked it over, said wait here and came back with a brand new replacement. I said; "is that it, you don't need to see a receipt"? The salesman said "no sir".

I left with a brand new replacement; THAT is standing by your products.

So if Sears still does this, I don't care if they make them in Vietnam.
 
You had a 66 Mustang and I used to own a 1966 GTO with three Two's, with the motor redone a little to a over 400 hp at 3600 pounds. It ran pretty strong, but the pocket rockets would run away from it now, it is mostly about power to weight in drag racing, which I used to do years ago at Lions Drag Strip in Long Beach, Ca, off Alameda.

66 GTO one of my fav cars ever.....SWEET!
 
There is only one reason to buy Sears Craftsman tools; because they are gauranteed for life; no questions asked.

I tested this theory one time when my brother-in-law and I uncovered an old rusty Sears Craftsman wrench in his back yard while digging a pool.

I cleaned the dirt off and took it to Sears to see if they would replace it. The salesman looked it over, said wait here and came back with a brand new replacement. I said; "is that it, you don't need to see a receipt"? The salesman said "no sir".

I left with a brand new replacement; THAT is standing by your products.

So if Sears still does this, I don't care if they make them in Vietnam.

I have a friend who loves to wrench on cars....and loves to Scuba dive. He found an old snap on truck full of tools that had sunk on a ferry in the 1950's. he also ran a garage. He kept trading in those tools forever.....
 
There is only one reason to buy Sears Craftsman tools; because they are gauranteed for life; no questions asked.

I tested this theory one time when my brother-in-law and I uncovered an old rusty Sears Craftsman wrench in his back yard while digging a pool.

I cleaned the dirt off and took it to Sears to see if they would replace it. The salesman looked it over, said wait here and came back with a brand new replacement. I said; "is that it, you don't need to see a receipt"? The salesman said "no sir".

I left with a brand new replacement; THAT is standing by your products.

So if Sears still does this, I don't care if they make them in Vietnam.

....they are not always willing to do this. For me, the performance of the tool while I am using it is more important than the warranty....which is why I buy American!
 
There is only one reason to buy Sears Craftsman tools; because they are gauranteed for life; no questions asked.

I tested this theory one time when my brother-in-law and I uncovered an old rusty Sears Craftsman wrench in his back yard while digging a pool.

I cleaned the dirt off and took it to Sears to see if they would replace it. The salesman looked it over, said wait here and came back with a brand new replacement. I said; "is that it, you don't need to see a receipt"? The salesman said "no sir".

I left with a brand new replacement; THAT is standing by your products.

So if Sears still does this, I don't care if they make them in Vietnam.
Their power tools are basically disposable. I don't know if they still offer lifetime warranty on everything. At Home Depot, Ridgid tools carry a lifetime warranty....even on batteries.

I was a Bosch guy...but if you buy Home Depot Bosch, they're made in China. Ridgid too, but they're actually very heavy duty.
 
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