'Nuclear' Option triggered today in Senate

Rubbish. There is no evidence that they are "abusing" it. 90% of his appointees get a vote and are approved.

What you dislike is the fact that President IDon'tCompromise has had to compromise and appoint people who aren't 100% ideologically bound to worship him.
Congratulations. You made two logical fallacies in one post.False equivalency. The President has nothing to do with.
 
I think the whole point is that repubs are blocking positions that Obama is entitled to fill. Shouldn't we be discussing the unfairness of that?

Be my guest. I've simply stated the same thing happened when the roles were reversed as well though which is why each 'side' changes its position on the issue based on where it stands in power. The question I have is what else is going to change in the future in how the Senate does business (not a rhetorical question) because this is a big game changer. (I'm also not asking that in a negative or positive way I'm just asking the question)
 
I think the whole point is that repubs are blocking positions that Obama is entitled to fill. Shouldn't we be discussing the unfairness of that?
not really. There is nothing unfair about it. The President has the right to nominate who he wishes with the advice and consent of the Senate. This only assures a nominee gets a straight up and down vote.
 
Congratulations. You made two logical fallacies in one post.False equivalency. The President has nothing to do with.

You are attempting to distract. The President has something to do with appointees, because he appoints them. He, and past Presidents, have compromised and nominated people who were not wholly ideological because the filibuster could and was invoked to stop obvious overstep in that arena.
 
not really. There is nothing unfair about it. The President has the right to nominate who he wishes with the advice and consent of the Senate. This only assures a nominee gets a straight up and down vote.

Look at the chart in post #10. Why do you think there are so many filibusters against Obama's picks?
 
You are attempting to distract. The President has something to do with appointees, because he appoints them. He, and past Presidents, have compromised and nominated people who were not wholly ideological because the filibuster could and was invoked to stop obvious overstep in that arena.
and that's your other logical fallacy. Obama has not packed his nominations with ideologues and he has been justifiably been criticized for bending over backwards to compromise.
 
and that's your other logical fallacy. Obama has not packed his nominations with ideologues and he has been justifiably been criticized for bending over backwards to compromise.

Again, my point was the only reason he did compromise, and several past Presidents, was to avoid the filibuster.
 
Because they're lousy?

Repub filibusters? You betcha. :rolleyes:
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Don't care. It will force the Senators do do their freaken jobs.

Far to often this nations business has been stopped by a handfull of senators that only represent a small fraction of the nations population. Most often to the detriment of most of the people and to the benefit on a hanful. It's about time something has been done about it.

You are full of shit it will do nothing but fill the court with liberal progressive ideologues, especially the court which will hear the challenges to obamacare.
 
It is nice to see the democrat party come around to the notion that a President deserves an up or down vote on his appointees.

If course they didn't have such an aversion six years ago. In fact they held up numerous judicial nominations. Now it isn't fair.

Ironically they always seem to start these little hullabaloos then are shocked when the other side does it.

I am sure their fondness for filibusters will return the day power shifts.

Remember when the democrat party was lecturing us on how the senate was like a saucer where the piping hot liquid from the cup of the house could cool down? Good times. Good times.
 
Haha, of course Desh will complain about it.

I found this quote from Harry Reid in 2005 when Republicans were considering the nuclear option:

“The threat to change Senate rules is a raw abuse of power and will destroy the very checks and balances our founding fathers put in place to prevent absolute power by any one branch of government,” Reid said at the time.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/harry-reid-railed-against-nuclear-option-in-2005-he-embraces-in-2013/


Republicans were for it when they were in power and the Democrats against it. Now the tables have turned just as they will turn again at some point in the future. Very transparent.

where in the constitution does it address the filibuster?

when was the filibuster inaugurated?

how often has it been changed and from what to what?

what party holds the record for filibusters in the last two decades?
 
where in the constitution does it address the filibuster?

when was the filibuster inaugurated?

how often has it been changed and from what to what?

what party holds the record for filibusters in the last two decades?

Why are you asking me these questions?
 
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