Racism is alive and well in the US

[charver]

I think there has been more of an effort in recent years to crack down on it.

By the by, if you're interesting in European soccer hooliganism, you should read Among the Thugs by Bill Buford. It's pretty dated, but jesus lord almighty. he tells the story of fans doing a gorilla grunt whenever an opposing black player touched the ball.

Here's a short Grantland piece on it:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-t...hall-of-fame-among-the-thugs-bill-buford-1990

It's difficult to categorise racism and/or hooliganism in Europe as, with so many other things, Europe is incredibly disparate.

Go to Spain and it's not unusual to hear monkey chants directed at black players. Go to Italy and it's not unusual to see huge banners produced by the ultras professing their allegiances to neo-nazi organisations. The Spanish authorities hand out a few paltry fines and ignore it for the most part, the Italians have been taking some steps to close stadiums, although it's nowhere near enough.

In England, we're 20-25 years on from mass racist chanting and the issues recently have been on the field between players. If the crowd are involved at all, it's usually one single individual in a crowd of 40-50,000. It's partly an issue of ticket prices but, in the main, it's because we're a far less racist society than we used to be (I'm not being complacent though, there's still plenty of the old racism going on). To generalise somewhat, in the UK (and most of the northern European countries) racism is taken seriously. Further south and east, less so. Moreover, with economies crashing and burning i can only see problems getting worse in years to come.

 

[Bonestorm]

It's difficult to categorise racism and/or hooliganism in Europe as, with so many other things, Europe is incredibly disparate.

Go to Spain and it's not unusual to hear monkey chants directed at black players. Go to Italy and it's not unusual to see huge banners produced by the ultras professing their allegiances to neo-nazi organisations. The Spanish authorities hand out a few paltry fines and ignore it for the most part, the Italians have been taking some steps to close stadiums, although it's nowhere near enough.

In England, we're 20-25 years on from mass racist chanting and the issues recently have been on the field between players. If the crowd are involved at all, it's usually one single individual in a crowd of 40-50,000. It's partly an issue of ticket prices but, in the main, it's because we're a far less racist society than we used to be (I'm not being complacent though, there's still plenty of the old racism going on). To generalise somewhat, in the UK (and most of the northern European countries) racism is taken seriously. Further south and east, less so. Moreover, with economies crashing and burning i can only see problems getting worse in years to come.

Among the Thugs is about events that occurred in the early to mid 1990s. The author got in with a crowd of Man U supporters and travelled with them (including National Front members). I did not mean to suggest that this was reflecting of the UK (or Europe more generally for that matter) today.

In the States its much more hidden. I remember last year some folks were tracking hockey fans on twitter when opposing black players scored goals. Not pretty.

 

[iolo]

If you want to make the philosophical argument that we're all one race, the human race, yeah I'll buy that. But it sure looks to me like you don't know squat about racial discrimination in America.

No - I know about it and have fought it here, for a long time, and going along with this 'race' bilge is a sure-fire way to lose.

 

[christiefan915]

No - I know about it and have fought it here, for a long time, and going along with this 'race' bilge is a sure-fire way to lose.

Different country, different history.

 

[Taichiliberal]

If you can read you know there's a big difference between book learning and actual experience. Just today there was an article about yet another American cultural icon with clay feet.
Paula Deen racist testimony: Food Network star uses epithet in court deposition

The celebrity chef, who is famous for her Southern approach to life, admitted to using racial slurs in a court deposition last month, but said neither she nor her brother, Bubby Hier, are racist.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...timony-report-article-1.1377309#ixzz2WrUUmaSH
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The clincher was her hosting a "plantation" themed party...with black servants dressed accordingly to that period! I don't know what pisses me off more....the mindset that thinks this is an okay "heritage" thing, or the black people who did the gig just for the paycheck.

 

[tekkychick]

The clincher was her hosting a "plantation" themed party...with black servants dressed accordingly to that period! I don't know what pisses me off more....the mindset that thinks this is an okay "heritage" thing, or the black people who did the gig just for the paycheck.

Did she actually hold it or just want to? I thought it was a pretty gross idea, and that she'd even consider it... ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[DamnYankee]

The clincher was her hosting a "plantation" themed party...with black servants dressed accordingly to that period! I don't know what pisses me off more....the mindset that thinks this is an okay "heritage" thing, or the black people who did the gig just for the paycheck.

Democrats are very proud of their heritage.

 

[Rune]

I think that Obama has made things worse, actually. Racists were becomoing fairly calm in their supposed superior position. Now that a neeeeegro is in the white house in some capacity other than butler, they are INFURIATED.

I would think in the more global view a black president could only help race relations. Haters are going to hate.

 

[DamnYankee]

I would think in the more global view a black president could only help race relations. Haters are going to hate.

The world sees the weakness of this affirmative action president. How does that further global race relations?

 

[maineman]

And your knowledge of the world's view is gained.... How?

 

[iolo]

I would think in the more global view a black president could only help race relations. Haters are going to hate.

I think the original foreign response was delight that the Americans had grown up - but then some of us started reading the posts, here and elsewhere, and the general (unfair) response is that you are worse than ever. You really ought to discipline your extremists: they do you incredible harm!

 

[Rune]

I think the original foreign response was delight that the Americans had grown up - but then some of us started reading the posts, here and elsewhere, and the general (unfair) response is that you are worse than ever. You really ought to discipline your extremists: they do you incredible harm!

We have free speech here
Extremists are the only ones who ever accomplish great change.
You are out of your league here.
Your opinion is irrelevant to Americans, comment on your own issues (there is no shortage)

We wouldn't dare to tell to tell you how to properly worship your queen, allow us the same courtesy.

By the way, you are entirely incorrect, Obama has reversed decades of neo-con mistakes already, of which you are doubtless unaware,
hence your idiotic and infuriating comment.

In other words, go fuck your self.

 

[Rune]

The world sees the weakness of this affirmative action president. How does that further global race relations?

Now you presume to know the entire world view? Omniscience. Must be nice.

You sir, are nothing more than a megalomaniac, without a horde to lead.

 

[DamnYankee]

Now you presume to know the entire world view? Omniscience. Must be nice.

You sir, are nothing more than a megalomaniac, without a horde to lead.

LOL!

No, just my observation of how leaders of several countries are reacting to the Snowden scandal.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
The clincher was her hosting a "plantation" themed party...with black servants dressed accordingly to that period! I don't know what pisses me off more....the mindset that thinks this is an okay "heritage" thing, or the black people who did the gig just for the paycheck.

Did she actually hold it or just want to? I thought it was a pretty gross idea, and that she'd even consider it... ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Correction: it was a plan that didn't go through. Here's the story:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/paula-deen-racial.php

 

[The Dude]

Trevon was walking jogging home in the rain while being black.
Zimy says he's up to something on drugs etc. send a cop.
Yes racism is extremely alive and kicking.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I would think in the more global view a black president could only help race relations. Haters are going to hate.

Except for the large portion of the world that is also racist (China and Japan for example).

 

[iolo]

We have free speech here
Extremists are the only ones who ever accomplish great change.
You are out of your league here.
Your opinion is irrelevant to Americans, comment on your own issues (there is no shortage)

We wouldn't dare to tell to tell you how to properly worship your queen, allow us the same courtesy.

By the way, you are entirely incorrect, Obama has reversed decades of neo-con mistakes already, of which you are doubtless unaware,
hence your idiotic and infuriating comment.

In other words, go fuck your self.

Why don't you persuade these wonderfully free master-obeying reactionaries to keep out of other people's countries and pushing in where they are incredibly more ignorant than I am of your country (and educated people here tend to know a lot more about that than most Republicans, who make up 'history' as they go along, doubtless while serving in their militias). You have your snouts constantly in other people's business, as even you must know. Nobody here worships the Queen, child - it is just more sensible than having a Head of State hated by every racist illiterate in the country (though, certainly, you have a hundred times more of those). Don't let your Momma find you writing those rude words, kid - save 'em for public lavatories, if you have any out there in Lyncher's Landing.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Why don't you persuade these wonderfully free master-obeying reactionaries to keep out of other people's countries and pushing in where they are incredibly more ignorant that I am of your country (and educated people here tend to know a lot more about that than most Republicans, who make up 'history' as they go along, doubtless while serving in their militias). You have your snouts constantly in other people's business, as even you must know. Nobody here worships the Queen, child - it is just more sensible than having a Head of State hated by every racist illiterate in the country (though, certainly, you have a hundred times more of those). Don't let your Momma find you writing those rude words, kid - save 'em for public lavatories, if you have any out there in Lyncher's Landing.

This image is so fucking awesome.

 

[DamnYankee]

LOL!