ACA going into full effect, needs fixes badly, how will it happen?

DamnYankee said:
I'm lecturing you that the voters don't like socialism lite, because they don't like socialism period. You state that ObamaCare has been damaging to the GOP but the reality is that it has energized our base. By all means, please, please keep at it, and try to turn ObamaCare into a single payer utopia. It will help destroy the Democrat Party further.
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You are seriously confused.

POST WHERE I SAID OBAMACARE HAS BEEN DAMAGING TO THE GOP.

I said that it has damaged the Democratic Party .. which I've said MANY times.

You're so anxious to spout meme that you aren't even listening to what's said.

Americans don't like socialism?

They don't like Social Security, Medicare, libraries, the police and military, or anything 'public?' .. just to name a few examples of socialism that Americans love.
 
Conservative said:
Government already has too much power and taxes too high. Health care is a personal matter. Repeal Obamacare and impeach the Obama. That's what We The People want.
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Quite obviously you don't speak for the American people.

You had your chance to 'impeach' him last November .. and failed miserably.

I don't support Obama .. but reality counts.
 
I Love America said:
I truly respect BAC as unlike many here left or right, he takes principled stands and doesn't let blind partisanship blind him. However, on this issue, he is not able to see the forest through the trees. There is really no way Obama could have taken us from where we were to single payor. The demand just wasn't there. Even if he had, he could not leave any vestige of private insurance companies to go back to when single payor inevitably failed.

Whether you agree with Obamacare or not, Obama was shrewd in how he approached even if it was borderline illegal and definitely unethical. He first has to completely trash and dismantle the current system in order to create a crisis for people to finally scream for single payor.

That the insurance companies were in on the drafting is irrelevant. They merely were played like everyone else thinking they "had a seat at the table", but in the end they are fucked. As much as I hate to admit it, we are much closer to BACs vision than mine. It is stunning to me why he can't take yes for an answer.
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Socialists have been at this for a long time, destroying America brick by brick. The GOP establishment has been unwitting co-conspirators along with them, appeasing and compromising while progressives develop plans for the next six steps towards complete socialism. Part of me says 'fight them every step' while part of me says 'give these assholes exactly what they want, let the system fail and we'll rebuild it from the ground up later'.

When the system fails many states will be in a good position, financially, since they run balanced budgets and when their residents no longer are paying federal taxes there will be more than enough cash to take over the essentials like defense. The federal government will be largely unnecessary.
 
blackascoal said:
You are seriously confused.

POST WHERE I SAID OBAMACARE HAS BEEN DAMAGING TO THE GOP.

I said that it has damaged the Democratic Party .. which I've said MANY times.

You're so anxious to spout meme that you aren't even listening to what's said.

Americans don't like socialism?

They don't like Social Security, Medicare, libraries, the police and military, or anything 'public?' .. just to name a few examples of socialism that Americans love.
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they like socialism, they just don't like to admit they like socialism
 
blackascoal said:
POST WHERE I SAID OBAMACARE HAS BEEN DAMAGING TO THE GOP.
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Here:
blackascoal said:
You republicans had already taken yourselves out of the equation.

They could have passed Medicare for All .. one of the most popular programs in American history .. and one that even republicans have to tread lightly on given that seniors are about the only loyal constituency they have left.
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blackascoal said:
Americans don't like socialism?

They don't like Social Security, Medicare, libraries, the police and military, or anything 'public?' .. just to name a few examples of socialism that Americans love.
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Americans "like" social security insomuch as that they have paid into the system their entire working lives and want their money back. Most, if given the chance, would much rather have a private account where they could earn reasonable interest and pass their money onto their families upon their death. I've done the math on this; private investments plus income insurance would create wealth unimaginable by many.

Medicare, same thing. Private long-term health coverage is readily available in the private market, for a lot less money, and doesn't require you to whittle down your estate before it starts to pay out.

Libraries and police are not federal issues; let's confine this discussion to US politics.

The Constitution requires the feds to maintain a military to protect our borders and international trade. As far as I'm concerned if it's an enumerated power then it is not, by definition, socialism.
 
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