8th grader suspended and arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt??

Rana said:
Well, you are entitled to your opinion of me, can't change it.

Schools are very authoritarian, they almost have to be. Our local middle schools are about 1,000 students in attendance, that is 1,000 people between the ages of 12-15. I don't know if you have had the opportunity to be around children this age, but it can be very challenging. They smell weakness and you are done for. Lol
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Howey said:
Let me repeat...Children do not have any rights in the school environment, other than the right to an education.
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This isn't a question about what's legal, it's about what's right - though I won't claim to be speaking in absolutes. It is not acceptable what happened. And I don't care who said it, a tea partier, or even a Hitlerist - I believe this is wrong, and won't rescind that position, no matter who happens to agree with me.

Let me make this plenty clear, Howey. School is a harmful institution when made authoritative. It's purpose is to promote intellectual and social growth in children - something that does not work by way of a strict, anti-individualistic environment. Sure, some need discipline, but the second you try to extend that universally, you've crossed a line. This was a non-harmful mode of expression, which is something that needs to be encourage, not criminalized.

And Rana, perhaps the reason your idea of children's behavior is true, is that school has become something that serves the opposite of it's intended purpose.
 
Libertad! said:
This isn't a question about what's legal, it's about what's right - though I won't claim to be speaking in absolutes. It is not acceptable what happened. And I don't care who said it, a tea partier, or even a Hitlerist - I believe this is wrong, and won't rescind that position, no matter who happens to agree with me.

Let me make this plenty clear, Howey. School is a harmful institution when made authoritative. It's purpose is to promote intellectual and social growth in children - something that does not work by way of a strict, anti-individualistic environment. Sure, some need discipline, but the second you try to extend that universally, you've crossed a line. This was a non-harmful mode of expression, which is something that needs to be encourage, not criminalized.

And Rana, perhaps the reason your idea of children's behavior is true, is that school has become something that serves the opposite of it's intended purpose.
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My idea of children is having worked with them or raised them and many hours of volunteering at church, sports, community schools, and school, now my grandmother experience. Children need rules, order and consistency. They like to know and feel secure. The larger the group of children, the more rigid the rules, because children are greatly influenced by the actions of their peers and situations can dissolve quickly. Creativity and self expression can still be fostered, but the safety of the children is first and foremost.
 
Rana said:
My idea of children is having worked with them or raised them and many hours of volunteering at church, sports, community schools, and school, now my grandmother experience. Children need rules, order and consistency. They like to know and feel secure. The larger the group of children, the more rigid the rules, because children are greatly influenced by the actions of their peers and situations can dissolve quickly. Creativity and self expression can still be fostered, but the safety of the children is first and foremost.
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"...The larger the group of children, the more rigid the rules..."
Javol mein kampf
 
Threedee said:
You know something is seriously wrong here when the Marxist gets it right...
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I wouldn't exactly identify with Marxism. Marx was a process libertarian at his beginning stage, a democratic socialist with authoritarianish inklings by his death. The term Marxism describes the former. I wouldn't place myself under either, much less the first.

But thank you. :D
 
Damocles said:
I'll give you that, it is always wise to do what the cops say. Although I'd be a bit disappointed that my kid talked to them to begin with if I wasn't there. I have standing orders that when the cops become involved not to say a thing until one of us gets there. Not in their own defense, not for a bribe... Just tell them that they'll have to wait for their parents to talk with them...
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As a sometimes criminal defense attorney, that is some of the best advice a parent can give a child.
 
Superfreak said:
His RIGHTS were most certainly abused. I forgot some people on here are not bright enough to comprehend what is written.
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I agree, but once again, he was not arrested for the t-shirt, he was arrested for his reaction to being asked to remove it.
 
Howey said:
Let me repeat...Children do not have any rights in the school environment, other than the right to an education.
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I disagree, a public school is bound by the rules of the Constitution, because its an arm of the government.
 
Howey said:
That's your opinion.
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No, that is fact. The shirt did not violate school policy. The shirt was supporting the second Amendment. The teacher had NO right to try and make him turn it inside out.



Actually, I was. I went through high school with a 4.0gpa. Never got in trouble. Because I knew my Colonel father would beat the shit out of me.
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Ok. Now, what age do the vast majority of people graduate high school? Can you calculate the average age of 8th graders in the country?

You'll find his name as a follower of this group. Let me repeat. I don't post anything on this forum I don't already know the answer to.

https://www.facebook.com/SolSonsOfLiberty
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LMAO....

from the link... "paintball team building field upkeep learning meeting new people and did i mention paintball."

So you think a paintball team = tea party???

Did I? I believe I pointed it out to show he's behind in school.
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Being tall does not equal being behind in school. Being 14 in 8th grade is NORMAL, thus it also does not equal being behind in school. You are simply pulling shit out of your ass to try and disparage this kid because you don't like his t-shirt.

Yes. I did.
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Pretty sweet. Congrats. That said, the vast majority graduate at 17/18 depending on their date of birth. So this kid is not behind as you keep claiming.

When they don't take advantage of an education, they deserve disparagement. Do you think this kids father wants him to die an early death in the coal mines? Wait. Don't answer that. He obviously does.
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See, more vitriolic bullshit. You have NOTHING to back up your claim that he 'isnt taking advantage of an education'... HE understands the 2nd Amendment, unlike his teacher. The rest of your comment is nothing but hate... for a kid.

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At what point in that video do you think he stated 'I will post a video of the event'???
 
Jarod said:
I agree, but once again, he was not arrested for the t-shirt, he was arrested for his reaction to being asked to remove it.
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Funny how many liberals try and pretend it wasn't the shirt. The shirt is the center of the entire episode. If not for the shirt and the teachers inappropriate abuse of the kids rights, none of this would have happened. There would be no 'reaction' if the shirt and the abuse of the teacher were not a part of the story.

Telling the teacher and principal no, even though they were wrong, may justify calling in the parent and/or sending him home. But to call the cops and have the kid arrested is just further abuse from the school.
 
Superfreak said:
Funny how many liberals try and pretend it wasn't the shirt. The shirt is the center of the entire episode. If not for the shirt and the teachers inappropriate abuse of the kids rights, none of this would have happened. There would be no 'reaction' if the shirt and the abuse of the teacher were not a part of the story.

Telling the teacher and principal no, even though they were wrong, may justify calling in the parent and/or sending him home. But to call the cops and have the kid arrested is just further abuse from the school.
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If all the kid did was to say "no", then you are correct. Why do you assume that is all the kid did?

So, if a Cop violates my rights, any reaction is acceptable, because the cop was wrong to violate my rights?
 
Jarod said:
If all the kid did was to say "no", then you are correct. Why do you assume that is all the kid did?

So, if a Cop violates my rights, any reaction is acceptable, because the cop was wrong to violate my rights?
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1) Because at this point we have the kids statement that is what he did. At this point, the school and cops are not talking. So the assumption is based on what we know at this point.

2) No Jarod, I didn't say ANY reaction is acceptable. But if a cop tells you to jump off a bridge, you have the right to tell him NO. You do not have the right to violate his rights just because he violated yours. Why must you insist upon creating straw men?
 
Okay we are almost at 500 posts and 2800 views, come on guys! You can do it!

An 8th grader told to change his shirt! It's an outrage!!

Don't stop now you've almost crossed the line from light speed into ludicrous speed!
 
Darla said:
Okay we are almost at 500 posts and 2800 views, come on guys! You can do it!

An 8th grader told to change his shirt! It's an outrage!!

Don't stop now you've almost crossed the line from light speed into ludicrous speed!
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nice space balls reference...

That said... the kid was arrested for wearing a tshirt. I know you don't care about a persons rights as long as it is those in 'authority' taking them away... but some of us do care. But please, keep on whining... it is amusing how little you care for a persons rights...
 
Superfreak said:
1) Because at this point we have the kids statement that is what he did. At this point, the school and cops are not talking. So the assumption is based on what we know at this point.

2) No Jarod, I didn't say ANY reaction is acceptable. But if a cop tells you to jump off a bridge, you have the right to tell him NO. You do not have the right to violate his rights just because he violated yours. Why must you insist upon creating straw men?
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We also have the school's statement and the police statement. Yet for some reason you don't believe the authority figures, you believe a kid who's stepdaddy is on a mission.

And quit pulling shit out of your ass like #2. It only makes you look more like the fool you are.
 
So here's the promised video from gungungunstepdaddy. Or not.

No...instead he's beggin for money money money..and what the hell! Let's sell some guns to shoot dem dere police and liberal teachers!

In other words, this has nothing to do with a kid's first amendment rights. It's all about inbred stepdaddy's mission. Win # 4924 for Howey!

 
Howey said:
We also have the school's statement and the police statement. Yet for some reason you don't believe the authority figures, you believe a kid who's stepdaddy is on a mission.

And quit pulling shit out of your ass like #2. It only makes you look more like the fool you are.
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What statement? They have not released any official statements as to what transpired that I have seen.

As for #2, Jarod is the one that created the straw man... I called him out for it. But thanks for proving you could care less about what actually occurs and instead just wish to throw a tantrum.
 
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