The insanity of blaming Islam

Steelplate said:
We can't know God's ways. God can read into the hearts and minds of us mortal folk. We don't have that ability... that's why it's folly to judge other people for their sins and why Jesus warned against doing so.
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Great post. "We can't know God's ways." That's exactly what onearmsword and his cohorts need to learn.
 
OnearmSword said:
Exactly. I made the same point and proved it with indisputable bible verses. They both used lame reasoning to back up their rejecting God's words, Jesus's words and even Old and New Testament validation.

When they reject this you know they are blinded by ignorance and hatred.

(John 14:6) "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
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christiefan915 said:
Tell that to the 15 million Jews in the world today.
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Yeah. I still want to know.


ONEARMSWORD:

WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS?
 
Rana said:
Islam says Judaism and Christianity have a flawed understanding of Gd. Three religions, same Gd, different understanding.

Why is it you allow the Jews and Christians to have different understandings of Gd, but not Muslims?
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Because Muslims created a different version of God than the one in The Bible, worshiped by Christians and Jews. They formed a Koran around their God, Allah, and disavowed the God described in The Bible. It's simplistic to say "three religions, same God." This is simply not true. Muslims may very well claim it's the same God of Abraham, but they have rejected the God depicted in The Bible, to worship Allah depicted in the Koran. Allah's attributes diametrically conflict with God of The Bible, which is why Muslims view the Koran as sacred, and not The Bible.

It's more than a different understanding of the same God. It is the belief in a totally different God, Allah. I have no problem with people worshiping a different God, or no God at all... this is a personal choice we should all be free to make on our own accord. I am not here to defend the Christian God or the Jewish God, or even the Jehovah's Witness God, and I am not here to condemn Allah or Muslims. I am merely pointing out that it is intellectually dishonest to claim they are the "same god" when they certainly are not, according to The Bible AND the Koran.
 
Dixie said:
Because Muslims created a different version of God than the one in The Bible, worshiped by Christians and Jews. They formed a Koran around their God, Allah, and disavowed the God described in The Bible. It's simplistic to say "three religions, same God." This is simply not true. Muslims may very well claim it's the same God of Abraham, but they have rejected the God depicted in The Bible, to worship Allah depicted in the Koran. Allah's attributes diametrically conflict with God of The Bible, which is why Muslims view the Koran as sacred, and not The Bible.

It's more than a different understanding of the same God. It is the belief in a totally different God, Allah. I have no problem with people worshiping a different God, or no God at all... this is a personal choice we should all be free to make on our own accord. I am not here to defend the Christian God or the Jewish God, or even the Jehovah's Witness God, and I am not here to condemn Allah or Muslims. I am merely pointing out that it is intellectually dishonest to claim they are the "same god" when they certainly are not, according to The Bible AND the Koran.
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I know this will do no good because you value your opinions over scholars who study the subject, but maybe others will learn something.

http://www.changethestory.net/quran-bible-torah-comparison
 
WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS?
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Will you PLEASE shut the fuck up?

The Jews, as far as I am aware, DO recognize Jesus as a prophet of God. The difference between Christians and Jews is an interpretational difference regarding Jesus being, literally, the "living Son of God." It does not mean that Jews and Christians worship a different GOD! It simply means that Jews and Christians disagree on Scripture, as does most Judeo-Christian denominations. The Muslims do the same thing, why do you think there are so many Islamic sects? Do they believe in different Allahs?
 
Dixie said:
Because Muslims created a different version of God than the one in The Bible, worshiped by Christians and Jews. They formed a Koran around their God, Allah, and disavowed the God described in The Bible. It's simplistic to say "three religions, same God." This is simply not true. Muslims may very well claim it's the same God of Abraham, but they have rejected the God depicted in The Bible, to worship Allah depicted in the Koran. Allah's attributes diametrically conflict with God of The Bible, which is why Muslims view the Koran as sacred, and not The Bible.

It's more than a different understanding of the same God. It is the belief in a totally different God, Allah. I have no problem with people worshiping a different God, or no God at all... this is a personal choice we should all be free to make on our own accord. I am not here to defend the Christian God or the Jewish God, or even the Jehovah's Witness God, and I am not here to condemn Allah or Muslims. I am merely pointing out that it is intellectually dishonest to claim they are the "same god" when they certainly are not, according to The Bible AND the Koran.
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The Bible is Christian, the Qu'ran is Islamic, the Torah is Jewish. The Torah is very different from the Bible, it does not contin the New Testament.
 
Dixie said:
Will you PLEASE shut the fuck up?

The Jews, as far as I am aware, DO recognize Jesus as a prophet of God. The difference between Christians and Jews is an interpretational difference regarding Jesus being, literally, the "living Son of God." It does not mean that Jews and Christians worship a different GOD! It simply means that Jews and Christians disagree on Scripture, as does most Judeo-Christian denominations. The Muslims do the same thing, why do you think there are so many Islamic sects? Do they believe in different Allahs?
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Muslams belive the same as the Jews regarding Jesus, that Jesus was a prophet of God, but not THE prophet of God and not the living son of God.
 
Rana said:
I know this will do no good because you value your opinions over scholars who study the subject, but maybe others will learn something.

http://www.changethestory.net/quran-bible-torah-comparison
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It doesn't take a scholar to recognize that Muslims claim their god is the God of Abraham. To accept their claim without any further evaluation, requires no intellect at all. I am sure there are an abundance of websites presenting a case for both sides of this argument, but a careful evaluation of what The Bible says about God and what the Koran says about Allah, will pretty much prove to any rational objective person, they can't be the same entity.
 
Isa, which is Arabic for Jesus, which is Yeshua in Judaism, which translates into Joshua. Isa was seen as A Messenger of God. Jesus is also considered by Islam to be the Mesih which means Messiah. However, Messiah has a different connotation in Islam, than it does in Christianity. Muslim's believe that Jesus was sent to lead the Jews and provide them with a new scripture. They believe that Jesus was born of a virgin named Mary and that to be Muslim you MUST believe that Jesus is a messenger of God. Jesus is mentioned 25 times by name in the Koran. They believe that Jesus will return again, just prior to the day of judgment to restore justice and defeat the Anti-Christ.
 
Jarod said:
Muslams belive the same as the Jews regarding Jesus, that Jesus was a prophet of God, but not THE prophet of God and not the living son of God.
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Muslims believe a whole lot of things that Christians and Jews don't believe, because their holy scripture is the Koran and not The Bible.
 
Dixie said:
It doesn't take a scholar to recognize that Muslims claim their god is the God of Abraham. To accept their claim without any further evaluation, requires no intellect at all. I am sure there are an abundance of websites presenting a case for both sides of this argument, but a careful evaluation of what The Bible says about God and what the Koran says about Allah, will pretty much prove to any rational objective person, they can't be the same entity.
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http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/islamjudaism/
 
Dixie said:
Muslims believe a whole lot of things that Christians and Jews don't believe, because their holy scripture is the Koran and not The Bible.
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Ive been asking for examples... I am sure what you said here is true... but give me an example? AND that does not mean that its not the same universal God.
 
Rana said:
I know this will do no good because you value your opinions over scholars who study the subject, but maybe others will learn something.

http://www.changethestory.net/quran-bible-torah-comparison
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lol.....where do you find stupid shit like this?......

The Qur'an differs from the Hebrew Bible and New Testament in two fundamental ways. First, it is understood by Muslims to be the direct speech of God, revealed to the Prophet Muhammad through the medium of the archangel Gabriel over the course of twenty-three years, from 610 to Muhammad’s death in 632. Second, its composition was limited to a comparatively short span of time.
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not to mention, third, it throws out all that stuff about salvation......some scholars who study the subject might be smart enough to recognize that as a fundamental difference.....
 
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Rana said:
Islam says Judaism and Christianity have a flawed understanding of Gd. Three religions, same Gd, different understanding.

Why is it you allow the Jews and Christians to have different understandings of Gd, but not Muslims?
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Maybe, just maybe; because the Muslims understanding of God is used to justify killing anyone and everyone who doesn't believe as they do or anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to their interpretation of God's word.
Where is the Muslim's new testement, where's their "revival"?
 
Jarod said:
Ive been asking for examples... I am sure what you said here is true... but give me an example? AND that does not mean that its not the same universal God.
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I've given you one very major example, knowability of God. That's pretty dang fundamental, don't you agree? The same 'universal' god can certainly not be knowable and unknowable at the same time. Basic Logic 101, J-tard!

PmP and OneArm, have both presented examples, and I posted two links which are full of them. You can also do a Google search, if you aren't happy with my sources, and you'll find a great deal of links to information. I really don't know what you want us to do... we're giving you evidence, we're giving you examples, we're giving you proof, and you are just repeating... show me proof! show me examples! let me see the evidence!

Now, I am not going to try and make you accept what has been presented, because I realize you are never going to accept it, and even if you did, you'd never admit it here. But it has been presented, you have been shown the examples, the evidence, the proof. If you aren't satisfied, there are other resources you can find. I don't have any need to continue trying to get you to understand something you aren't interested in trying to understand, it's quite pointless to me. I don't have a dog in this hunt, I am not trying to 'save your soul' or convert you. I don't care what you believe, it matters nadda to me.
 
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